Friday, October 10, 2008

Mad? Sir, You Don't Know Mad

As I noted in the last post, Governor Palin (and John McCain) are actively agitating the crowds at their rallies to help them project their valid anger over the state of the nation onto Senator Obama instead. The Washington Post explains:

In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of "Country First" but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation's economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.

"There's 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there's a chance that Obama might get in, and they don't like that," said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.

"I'm mad! I'm really mad!" another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.

"I'm not done. Lemme finish, please," he said after a standing ovation. "When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.

"It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."

The crowd burst into loud chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Standing at the center of the crowd, McCain and Palin drew on the crowd's energy as they repeatedly trained their fire on Obama.

"Senator Obama has a clear radical, far-left, pro-abortion record," McCain said after being asked about the issue.

I've had enough of watching these idiots scramble about looking for scapegoats, any scapegoats, to avoid owning the hard facts of their lives and their past choices. Rather than admit to themselves that the President they elected...that the policies and leadership they voted for...that the philosophies and resentments they've willingly bought from Rove and his ilk have miserably, woefully, historically failed them...rather than having the honor, self-respect, or balls to accept their mistakes, they're flailing about looking for someone else, anyone else, to blame.

Let me tell you, my fellow frightened Americans: You think you're mad? You don't freaking know mad.

Mad is watching you morons who put this joke of a spoiled frat boy in the White House in the first place, because you're too self-absorbed to take the time to understand his economic policies were not designed with your best interests in mind, now pretend his legacy isn't on your hands. Mad is watching conservative pundit after conservative pundit now sheepishly admit they might have misjudged the wisdom of the Iraq war; the wisdom of rampant deregulation; the competence of Rumsfeld, Paulson, Gonzales, Rice, Bernanke, and Bush himself; the wisdom of the accepting that undemocratic powers would not be abused eventually; and the wisdom of thinking wedge politics wouldn't eventually drain their movement of the brain power needed to keep moving it forward.

Oh, I know, even as I write that that I've likely proven your point. Pointy-headed Eastern elite types spouting gibberish ain't who you want running things or lecturing you. So let me talk to you as the Midwestern boy from a down-and-dirty steel town that I am:

You broke it, you dumbfu*cks. You broke the American Dream. You let some blue-blooded snake oil salesman put on a cowboy hat and smirk, adopt a Texan drawl he picked up after years of being educated on the East Coast, hoodwink you into electing him. You have been had! And now all of us are going to pay for YOUR mistake. For once in your self-centered, self-entitled lives, OWN what you've done and make amends!

Bush has never had any interest in how you'll get by when the sheriff comes to evict you. He never has had any interest in how you'll pay the hospital bills when you lose your job at the plant. He has never had any interest in how to rebuild your community when mother nature devastates it. He never has had any interest in what you'll live off of when you retire. He's spent his entire 8 years in the White House lining the pockets of his rich friends in the oil and defense and energy industries. He bankrupted the country to do so. He stole your children's future and, like trained monkeys being thrown doggie treats, you shout "U-S-A! U-S-A!" in response. Open your eyes. You have been swindled!

The only thing more idiotic than all that is how now you're willing to believe that electing two people selling more of the same will somehow bring a different result. And why???? Because voting for the Democrat will amount to admitting you were wrong. Well, here's the hard part: You were wrong! You were horribly, unforgivably, and selfishly wrong to elect that man in the first place.

And you're wrong about McCain and Palin too. Seriously, why on earth would you think that voting for a team whose economic policy boils down to giving even more of your tax dollars away to big corporations (when they're not violating the very tenants of conservatism, that is) will somehow make your life better? Why? The only thing that really trickles down is sewage, and you're wallowing in it.

I know, I know...that Democrat is scary. He's black. His father was a Muslim. He might secretly be a terrorist. You don't think you can trust him. That's nice. Your unfounded, uninformed phobias are going to damn the rest of us to an ever-more nightmarish economic hell.

You think you're mad??? Imagine how the rest of us are going to feel if you manage to elect "I voted with Bush 90% of the time" McCain and the economy goes from horrible to catastrophic? When his temper gets us into yet another war we don't have the money for? When thousand more young Americans die because McCain can't control his innate anger long enough to outwit our enemies without resorting to bomb and tanks?

Seriously, you had your go at this. You elected that dumbf*ck because he looked and sounded like someone you'd want to have a beer with. Look where that got us. You think you're mad? I blame YOU for this mess. That's right. YOU voted for this incompetent fool. YOU bought the Rovian Snake Oil. YOU thought it was more important to hate gays and immigrants and abortion than to ensure the President was up to the job. YOU, YOU, YOU got us into this fix! The trillions of dollars that evaporated from our retirement funds, the pending impact on small businesses like mine, the tarnished image of our country around the world, the utterly immoral way that Bush has tortured detainees like some third-world dicatator. All of this is YOUR fault. You elected him, TWICE!!!!!, and so YOU are responsible!

Now, YOU have to rise above your petty biases and latent racism and help get us out of this mess. I don't care how seriously you feel Obama's associations with Ayers or Wright require you to vote against your best interests...look at the two of them in the debates. One of them is thinking on his feet, focused on the Middle Class, surrounding himself with smart people, able to prioritize, and gets it instinctively, because he came from nothing, saw his mother fight the insurance companies as cancer killed her, and still fought his way up through the system. HE, my friends, is the American Dream. And he's very likely our last chance to restore it for the rest of us in our lifetime.

So send that pitbull back to Alaska...let Senator McCain continue to do what he does so well in the Senate...and elect the new guy. Seriously. He's been through the most greulling campaign I've ever seen in my lifetime and he remains calm and focused. He's truly incredible. More than that, we need him. We're in deep sh*t, and we need someone who will put our interests first, not the oil companies'. They had record profits last year...they can stand to tighten their belts for a few years while the rest of us get back on track.

We know you're mad! The problem is you're not being honest about who your angry is rightfully directed at: Bush and yourselves. Don't drag the rest of us down further because you can't take a good hard look at what you've done to get us here. Be better than that, this time. Vote for change.

Labels: politics


Blogger Pat said...

Thank you for your eloquence.

10/10/2008 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Joanne Mattera said...


Reading your description of the audience members at a McPain rally, I'm reminded that during the last debacle, er, election, the New York Times titled an article, "You Don't Have to Be Informed to Have an Opinion." That about sums it up with the McPain constituents.

Like you I am mad. I am insulted that a pro-gun, anti-choice bible thumper who believes that a view of Russia and a fuel stop in Ireland constitute foreign policy experience should be proffered as a qualified candidate. And I am insulted that because this person is a woman, somehow that's a giant step for womankind.

I'm irate that the two of them are now fueling fears of tax and terrorism. (You had it right a while back when you became, if only briefly, Edward Hussein Winkleman. Perhaps it's time for us all to revive the name for ourselves.)

And now I'm pissed at the enormous financial mess caused by repugnican deregulation and capitalist greed.

Not to tout my own blog, but I have been maintaining a pro-Obama, anti-McPain sidebar with pictures and links. I update it just about every.

By the way, as if you can't tell, I'm voting for "That One."

10/10/2008 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


10/10/2008 01:07:00 PM  
Blogger Balhatain said...

Ed, I'm from Illinois. I knew who Obama was before he decided to run for president. Obama never had the charisma he shows today while making stops in working class small towns like Jereseyville Illinois or Carrollton. Local press has covered it, but you will never read about it in major newspapers.

For example, during a visit to a local court house Obama ended up eating at a bar & grill. Oddly enough, the man who is so worried about the working class today did not even bother to leave a tip. He did not speak to anyone aside from making his order. Most of the small town people who met him during that time noted that he was unfriendly.

Keep in mind that most people in this area vote Democrat... so Obama should not have felt uncomfortable unless he assumed that all small town "folks" are hicks with guns & religion.

Obama looks great on paper. However, I'm not sure if he is so great in person. However, the same can be said for all politicians I suppose.

The important thing is for Congress to have more of a bite. It blows me away how much Congress has slacked in recent years.

10/10/2008 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a fine post! you eloquently stated what a lot of us are feeling.

10/10/2008 01:39:00 PM  
Blogger Julie Sadler said...

Certainly I can feel you in this post, Ed. The passion with which you wrote this I also feel pulsing thru my upstate NY veins. I live in the conservative Republican portion of the state where I am sickened by a parade of McPain signs in people's lawns, one after the other like sheep going to slaughter. The only retaliation I have is my Vote. And you can be damned sure I am also voting for That One.

10/10/2008 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Balhatain said...

Lets say that Obama does not win. Do you think he will run again? What about the Republicans? Who do you think will be the next to run? There is some buzz about Palin taking the slot next time. Any predictions on who will face off in the future?

I'm certain that Obama will be a force in politics for the next 20 years. I'm also certain that he will pass his email list on to the next Democrat candidate. Repulicans are still lacking in that department. I'm not so sure about Palin. She will either continue to rise or she will be left in total obscurity.

Also, do you think the role that the internet has played is more influential than traditional press?

10/10/2008 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

+++Obama never had the charisma he +++shows today

What. You think McCain has charisma? Or you were thinking of Palin?

I think Edward is about to release a video on Youtube where he screams like a pitbull.

Ah well. Harsh times...
But if I was allowed to help America I would definitely jump the custom fence on November 4 and vote Obama. I'm not saying anyone is perfect, but everyone is asking which's the lesser evil. I say it's Obama.

Cedric Casp

10/10/2008 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At first, I didnt think it would matter which of the three would become President, Brian. All are better than Bush, and would have to face up to the issues at hand. I actually thought Hillary could do best, but didnt think her electable, to many independants ahte her, not to mention Republicans.

But McCain has sold his soul, and seems to be so full of himself and his destiny, (sound famliar?Bush) he will do or say anything to get elected. This hurts me deeply, my son being a fellow grad of Annapolis. he knows nothing of economics, and afraid who he would bring in as a cabinet, his most important decisions. Character counts, and that shows under pressure, and McCain has failed miserably.

All are lying, this crap about tax breaks, there will have to be some temporary ones duirng a possible depression, but must begin to get this national debt in check, or inflation will roar and destroy what little capital is left in peoples savings. None are brave enough to be truthful to the American people, and perhaps rightly so. We have become soft, and cant handle the truth. We get the governmetn we deserve in a democracy, we all must change and become better, stronger, less self absorbed people, or we will fall together.

I have little faith left in McCain, and can only hope Obama can rise to the occasion. It is a doable deed, but the line is narrow, and must be walked with caustion, and bravery. Ther will be casualties, but the whole is what matters. No luxury to save everyone, that we must do through goodwill and volunteerism. The $ sign must no longer rule. Give, not take. God help us.

10/10/2008 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

Well said Ed.

Wall street is putting the final nails into the Republican coffin. The crowd chanting U-S-A U-S-A are the only voters left for McCain. People vote their pocketbook, and unemployment, fear and IRA's worth 40% less than they were a year ago know no politic, the Republicans have lost.

The Republicans have lost because the majority realize neither McCain nor Palin are capable enough to do the job. From the so called debates it should be obvious that neither Republican nominee has the slightest clue how to deal with the economic crisis. Even worse neither of them know who to ask! This means "more of the same", both John and Sarah would be political puppets like you know who. It won't fly, so McCain is desperately trying to at least make it look like there was a race after all.

The only race is racism, the appeal to racism, secret racism, and go ahead, let those people try. I honestly think America is greater than this, that even though voters might be unsure about electing a "black man" as president, the alternative choice just isn't a choice and they will vote for Obama.

Obama bought 30 minutes of TV time to talk to America. Black truly is beautiful.

10/10/2008 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger Joanne Mattera said...


In terms of comportment, I think it would be a mistake to equate the early Obama with the current Obama. One grows into the role of campaigner. In terms of the bar and grill he visited, we don't know what was on the guy's mind when he went in for a bite. Leaving no tip is inexcusable, of course, but sometimes--especially if you are surrounded by people--you need to slip away and get back into your own skin.

As for thinking ahead to the NEXT campaign, aren't we all just a little shredded by this one, especially in light of what's been going on with the stock market the past week?

10/10/2008 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

I take exception to the idea that Obama must rise to the occasion, in my eyes he already has, he is presidential now. It doesn't matter one bit if he is a back slappin' "good old boy", the problems ahead are going to be too tough to swat away with a "shucks", or a wink or a friendly backslap.

The problems ahead are more than any one man can totally master and the coterie of advisors surrounding the president are going to make all the difference in the world. Obama is the de-facto president elect and it is clear that he is assembling a team to advise him of the potential solutions to the current fiscal problems.

I believe there is a solution to the current fiscal problems but that it required actions which run counter to those in power. Only in the last few weeks have these officials realized that they will have to completely rethink how capitalist markets are structured. They will have to break their long cherished rules.

On January 1, 2009 somebody is finally going to have to start making tough decisions, real decisions that affect the lives of millions of people. I don't care what color his skin is, where he came from, or what his middle name is, what I want to believe is that he will make the best decision he is capable of. I want him to listen to the disagreements of the best advisors available and then make a decision because he thinks it is right, not necessarily popular.

And more than anything, I want to see all those right-wing white folks watching this skinny black kid on the news every night. Watching him because he is our president, holding the reins of the nation like the masters of the past.

10/10/2008 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous stephen said...

I agree with George: it's a desperate, ugly, last gasp for the McCain campaign. Hopefully they don't incite an actual riot. Ed Rollins, GOP Strategist says it's over as do others:

10/10/2008 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worship the man, and there are plenty of black conservatives, two of the main culprits on wallstreet that had golden parachutes were black. As my family is Africa American, I know a little more about this. And it is irrelevant, both ways. He must rise to the occasion, none of the past were master's, this isn't Star Wars, no Jedi's here. Roosevelt did, but was far from perfect and the Great Depression, one of many, only ended completely in WWII.

The job is chief executive of the United States of America. Congress will always control the moneybag. Yes, he must assemble quality people, which is what worries me about McCain. There are no easy answers here, there will be pain, and so we must act with compassion, and VOLUNTEER much of our time, those of us lucky enough to come through unscathed. We benefited from the last two decades, this does go back to Reagan.

However, there were calls of "Kill him!" at McCains rally yesterday. And he did nothing to quiet that. Racism wil not end because of this election, it has been here since the days when the first black man was taken from endentured servitude into slavery, but has mutated, and yes lessened greatly in severity. But not gone. And if he does lose, it will be because of it, and it will get worse. People are always much nicer in times of plenty, but jealous and hateful when things get rough. Jews can attest to this. Though not in this country, native Americans getting the worst of all, and the only true Moctezumas Revenge besides syphillis, are casinos.

Nothing is constant, life evolves, many times for the worst. There are no guarantees any which way this election goes. But in how McCain has gone downhill in character, and revealed a deep seated insecurity and arrogance, that direction is not promising.

10/10/2008 06:01:00 PM  
Blogger Toby said...

Thank you for stating so clearly what needed to be said. We have to put an end to this nonsense.

10/10/2008 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric C said...

Frankly that ridiculous thing about the tip is either that he was distracted, or thought he had given it, or wanted to express some serious disatisfaction.

But personally I give a lot of
my tips at the counter, with the card. So maybe people saw an empty table and didn't think that he might have left it at the counter before starting this whole shenanigans.

Obama being a snotty who doesn'r give tip? Haha! Come on. If he did that all the time people would know. It's as absurd as looking at what Bill Clinton does with his cigars.

Cedric C

10/10/2008 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many of the angry comments and questions at the McCain rallies looked staged to me, geared to throw all that dirt out there while simultaneously allowing McCain to appear to be taking the high road by repudiating it.

10/11/2008 12:04:00 AM  
Blogger Balhatain said...

"Wall street is putting the final nails into the Republican coffin."

If you read up on it-- and I mean really dig deep-- you will find that both the Republicans and the Democrats are going to get slammed. BOTH played a role in this. If it were not for the fact that an election is coming up I bet we would all be coming down hard on both parties.

You can spit "Bush, Bush, Bush" out all day as the cause if you like. I will just reply, "Bill Clinton and Janet Reno". Trust me, it goes back further than that. Again, both parties played a role in this. I just wish both sides would admit that instead of trying to pin it on the other while voters who are not informed take in their opinions as if it is written in stone.

Concerning Bush-- I know Bush should have been booted long ago. So do most of you. The question we should be asking is why the checks and balances that are supposed to help take that action did not work. Seems to me both sides are in the same bed until election time. As I've said before, where has Congress been?

10/11/2008 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous mbg said...

Amen brother!

10/11/2008 02:55:00 AM  
Blogger Sunil said...


10/11/2008 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The golden parachute I most resent is the one George Bush will have upon leaving office.

Obama appears to be a smart politician. What America desperately needs is a statesman. We'll see if Obama lives up to his potential. He, unlike McCain, does possess potential.

10/11/2008 10:07:00 AM  
Blogger david kramer said...

Great rant Ed.


10/11/2008 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

I said "Wall street is putting the final nails into the Republican coffin."

Permit me. "Wall street" refers to the crash in the US stock market over the last 6 days. Interpret this as an event. The Republican coffin, is not necessarily laying blame on the Republicans, it could be, should be, but I am referring to their election chances which have been struck dead.

No incumbent party has been reelected when the economy has crashed and burned in a way like we are seeing today.

Put a fork in them and the juices will run clear.

10/11/2008 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger Bill Gusky said...

Sing it, Brother.

10/11/2008 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger namastenancy said...

Wow and wow and wow again. You'd said it - all the things that us arty liberal types should be saying over and over and over. We've been nice to these bozos, tried to have a rational dialogue and watched them sell the country out again and again. Now, when the proverbial s*^t hits the fan, they still want to blame somebody else.

10/11/2008 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Mad? Sir, You Don't Know Mad" reminds me of keith obermann's MCCAIN/911 rant:


or something like that.

the last bit of this commentary had wonderful shakespearean range.

i want the script if anyone has it to email to me anonymously

10/11/2008 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger jeff f said...

Here you go, Mrs. and Mr. Joe Six-Pack...

10/11/2008 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous sus said...

What is that sound? A one-woman standing ovation.
Picture a bouquet of roses at your feet, sir.

10/11/2008 08:55:00 PM  
Blogger Henry Bateman said...

Mother of the Bride

10/12/2008 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right On Mister. Judging by Obama's increasing number of supporters, we are not alone. The crazys are getting press, but they aren't getting votes. Unless there's rampant voter fraud, Obama should get in. I will weep with relief when he does.

10/12/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello ed,

i'm the same anonymous from 10/11/2008 03:00:00 PM noting shakespearean ranges and co.

may i use part of your rant in a dialogue?

please post a yes here.


10/12/2008 02:14:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

Worth a read The Terrorist Barack Hussein Obama by Frank Rich in Sundays NY Times Opinion section

".... After consultation with Congress, Michael Chertoff, the homeland security secretary, gave Obama a Secret Service detail earlier than any presidential candidate in our history — in May 2007, some eight months before the first Democratic primaries.

“I’ve got the best protection in the world, so stop worrying,” Obama reassured his supporters. Eventually the country got conditioned to his appearing in large arenas without incident (though I confess that the first loud burst of fireworks at the end of his convention stadium speech gave me a start). In America, nothing does succeed like success. The fear receded.

Until now. At McCain-Palin rallies, the raucous and insistent cries of “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” and “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” as well as the uninhibited slinging of racial epithets, are actually something new in a campaign that has seen almost every conceivable twist. They are alarms. Doing nothing is not an option.

All’s fair in politics. John McCain and Sarah Palin have every right to bring up William Ayers, even if his connection to Obama is minor, even if Ayers’s Weather Underground history dates back to Obama’s childhood, even if establishment Republicans and Democrats alike have collaborated with the present-day Ayers in educational reform. But it’s not just the old Joe McCarthyesque guilt-by-association game, however spurious, that’s going on here. Don’t for an instant believe the many mindlessly “even-handed” journalists who keep saying that the McCain campaign’s use of Ayers is the moral or political equivalent of the Obama campaign’s hammering on Charles Keating.

What makes them different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not exclusively) by Palin. Obama “launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.” He is “palling around with terrorists” (note the plural noun). Obama is “not a man who sees America the way you and I see America.” Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote, Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops.... "

I am so tired of this bullpalin.

10/12/2008 04:51:00 PM  
Blogger Kathy Hodge said...


10/12/2008 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still too scared to be mad. I'm numb with fear that Obama will not be elected, and we'll have more of what is causing massive ruin. Once President Obama is in the White House, then I'm going to reread this and say, exactly. Regina Hackett

10/13/2008 03:57:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

The latest ABC news poll, Discontent Buffets the Nation; Bush Craters, Obama Benefits

"Powered chiefly by the public's economic concerns, Obama leads John McCain by 10 points among likely voters, 53-43 percent, in this ABC News/Washington Post poll. Though every race is different, no presidential candidate has come back from an October deficit this large in pre-election polls dating to 1936."

10/13/2008 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Marilyn Picasso said...

Ralph Nader said recently of the Wall Street greed that we have here a two headed dragon. Democrats/Republicans have equally satiated themselves in an orgy of money. Nader can't compromise so his politiking is limited, but I tend to agree w/ him. Do u really think anything the Democrats will do, will substantially change things? Ed, will one less mall, or downtown urban stadium for the sports entertainment industry be built? Will one less Chicano baby be saved from pesticide exposure while their mother picks for Sun Maid or Taco Bell? Will one less toxic computer be built? I'm sorry, Ed, but u seem utterly naive in thinking anything will change w/ Obama. We will still have Sarah Palin's around telling us how good oil drilling is despite Exxon Valdez disasters and yet one more child w/ asthmatic lungs.

10/14/2008 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous nic said...

"Marilyn Picasso" what's your point? That you think people should vote for McCain because people are "utterly naive in thinking anything will change w/ Obama"? That people should vote for Nader? I don't understand your point.

Voting for Obama is not some magical act that will wash away the problems in this country. No one voting thinks that. That is such a non-argument to say "well doing that won't magically fix it so you shouldn't do it, just let it be". Nader is very smart and is right on a lot of things but he can't compromise and can't make progress. Incremental change is better than none at all. He thought when the shit hit the fan everyone would see the light. turns out that didn't happen. If what you're doing isn't working you need to do something different.

Voting for Obama is one step in many that we can all take to move in the right direction. Even the longest of journeys begins with the single step.

10/14/2008 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush became President because of Liberals voting for Nader in 2000. Far more than hanging chads or vote blocking, hundreds of thousands voted for him in Florida that would mostly have gone for your favorite poster boy NOW, Gore. He wasnt liberal enough for you, though he lost because he catered to the left, and was trying to be everything to all people, and never took a stand. Weak.

Nader is a vain idiot, grossly overrated, still making money off one book that was deeply flawed.
voe for him, and you got more trickle donw economics for at least four more years. Stop dissing all who dont think exactly like you, but would be the best for the job. President is the head of the Executive branch of government, not Pope. I dont want a moral leader, I want a real manager, who will lead when necessary. Who can get a consensus. Not some extreme idiots.

Of course he is lyng, like all Republicans dont. Clinton did too, and thats why those two, and especially Hillary are so hated by them. They lie just as well as conservatives do. But all three are practical, and will do what is necesary, hopefully not to satisfy some fringe groups, like artistes.

10/14/2008 04:22:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

This is just a rant. It's not a direct response to marilyn, who I believe is both sincere and frustrated. I'm sympathetic to her points. but...

Ralph Nader is a has been egomaniac and that is why he failed at politics. He lacks the skills required to bring into effect the changes he proposes.

If you think there has been no philosophical difference between the Republican and the Democratic parties, that everyone is the same, then shame on you. It is precisely this apathy among the voting public, in particular over the last decade, and in particular among the first time voters, that allowed the Bush administration to be voted into office not once but twice.

The problems on Wall Street are a result of human frailties, among them greed, hubris and stubbornness, frailties not limited by party affiliation. Never the less, it has been the Republican party which has led the fight against the type of regulation that Capitalism ultimately needs to survive. It was the Republican Secretary of the Treasury, who started the dominoes falling by letting the first banking houses fail because he was too stubborn to do what they are doing today. There is a difference between one side and the other, read Paul Krugman's columns in the NY Times and see for yourself that political policies can be directed towards the common good.

It is not just Wall Street which can be accused of greed, look in the mirror folks, we all are out for "what's ours" We all want our pet projects funded.

We all want to profit from the sale of our house, we want a raise, we want a 52 inch LCD TV, we want a new computer, we want a new car, we want cheaper gas, we want Guess jeans, oh gawd do we want. Does that make us bad people? Does that make us not care about exposing migrant workers to pesticides?

But we don't want those people, those illegal aliens who take our jobs, go to our free schools and raise the crime rate. We should get rid of them all, that would solve the Chicano baby from pesticide exposure problem and pass it on to a more acceptable minority (that seems like an oxymoron)

But wait, is there a difference between the Republican and the Democratic parties on immigration, on equal rights and access for women, minorities and children? Well, yes there is. It is the republicans which have reverted to the scare tactics of difference, "he is different from you", "she is different from you", but "don't worry we will take care of that". Yes, there are exceptions but on balance, that's the truth and that's how they voted in the congress on the related issues.

So when you suggest it doesn't matter, I respectfully beg to differ. A win by Obama is a win for all Americans. It is a win against the hidden fears of difference. It is a win against judgment based on race rather than character. Because when Obama wins, he will be judged on his actions and his character, and regardless of the outcome of each little event. He will be seen as human, just another person like you or me, and that my friends is when equality begins.

We, as individuals cannot do everything. We can educate ourselves to the issues affecting our lives and the lives of our children. We can identify the issues we may be able change by becoming involved at the grass roots in our own community. We can act responsibly and affect change by altering our habits. And we can affect change with our vote, when people don't vote, the politicians do not feel accountable.

Or, we can just have a beer and watch Survivor, somebody always wins?

10/14/2008 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Marilyn Picasso said...

Well first of all I made it clear that I did not support or vote for Nader, I just agreed w/ him on this point, that Dems/Repugs both are so bought by corporations that it does not matter who wins. Nor as nic asks do I say vote for McSame, far from it.

My point is not apathy. When I hear Obama 'while the wealthiest Americans and corporations get off scott free', I think gee that's the same thing Clintons/Gore all said. Corporations did just fine during Clinton's era and wealth accumulation increased to less people. Then there's Obama saying he DOES NOT support gay marriage. So George, while sanitizing your hands from skin issues, so we can talk about equality, where's the equality for gays/lesbians? How is Obama's dictum on gay marriage any different than McSame's? Again, I say stick to specifics that I proposed, pesticide residue found in Chicana mother's milk who pick for Heinz, Taco Bell; urban sprawl; asthmatic lungs in more American children than ever? Answer how Obama is stopping the use of GMO seed and the hegemony of the agribusiness? Most of the food eaten by the readers here is petro-chemically based. The biggest supplier of nitrogen based fertilizers for corn/soy/wheat is MOBIL. Now I'm guessing most of u did not know that, excuse the condescension, but do u really think we will see less Monsanto centers throughout the Midwest w/ Obama? DeKalb and Pioneer are bringing u cereal that is GMO and you're good w/ that? What I'm saying is Obama can't change much, Hype is good, and some of the things I've listed above are not even on his radar screen.

10/15/2008 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And nor should they be. Grow up. corporations are simply groups of people who work through investment by share holders. On their own they are not bad, just businesses, which all poeple need for jobs. All things have bad and good sides to them, and so need laws, regulations, as you cant play a game without rules. Thats chaos, and waht we have. If they collapse, so does the livelyhood of millions. Grow up, go get a job. And learn.

And far more important issues than gay marriage at the moment, to equate it with racism is absurd, and downright evil, you are so into yourself and your desires you cant se reality. This from a black family with gay people in it, no one thinks they are the same thing, except spoiled brats, artistes.

10/15/2008 01:14:00 PM  
Anonymous The Haberdasher said...

Spoiling you rotten and loving it

10/15/2008 01:28:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

And far more important issues than gay marriage at the moment, to equate it with racism is absurd, and downright evil

Evil? Equating homophobia with racism is evil? There are certainly distinctions, but both boil down to fear and prejudice based on ignorance that unfairly, inhumanely, and immorally deny fellow human beings their inalienable right to pursue happiness.

So while equating the two might be ever-so-slightly sloppy in reasoning terms, when discussing "evil" I'd have to say that working as hard as you are to suggest the gays should wait for their true equality is far more evil than overstating a parallel.

I must say, though, I sense a bit of scapegoating in your comment...the implication that because you're black, you have higher moral ground in the suffering department and you don't want some spoiled, artist, pro-gay advocates to deny you that righteous indignation or to compare the fights. It's easy enough for you to deny this, I know, but do me a small favor and at least consider that I'm right before you do.

You might also want to research all the places in the world, including here in the US, where gays are regularly beaten and killed merely because of who they are and ask yourself if you really want to draw a distinction between that brand of inhumanity and some other brand, or whether unequivocally condemning both is something you're able to offer your fellow human beings right here, right now in this life time.

10/15/2008 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Over 50 percent of the people in the world believe in religions that condemn gays as evil and not much worth living. Maybe you are a member of such religion, but believe me, hatred based on gender and sexual preference is as evil as racism.

Black people at the white house is a reality, so is women at the white house. Openly gay people at the white house? Hmmm....


Cedric Caspesyan

10/15/2008 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Street Team conversation with PEOPLE said...

were gaining ground in these states (points to Va, etc)


I'll sign the line, but I don't have any money to give to you


well I'm sorry, because that is what we need.

10/16/2008 08:16:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

In trying to respond to Marilyn's comment I didn't quite know where to start. First of, for the record, I'm hispanic, older than most of Ed's readers, I was active in the civil rights movement and in opposition to the Vietnam war. I wasn't an organizer, just a body in a crowd, but I was there.

I tell you this so that you might understand, that at that time we thought we could effect change by attacking the system at the top. People got hurt. While important changes were brought into effect this era also became a fear point of civil unrest which following administrations were prepared to avoid at all costs. The system is very powerful.

Marilyn has a number of issues which are important to her and that is good. At the same time we have other individuals with their own issues some which may represent opposing views to positions you or I feel passionate about. We have the makings for a debate.

In other cases we have issues where the opposing side is a position taken the corporations or government. In this case we are at a major disadvantage and need a public advocate or we need to rise in power politically in order to bring the issue before the government or the courts ourself.

This is what Obama has done. He started working at the grassroots level in order to effect changes within his own community. This also served another purpose, it put him on a track to rise within the political system, so he could have a chance at bringing into effect his other visions for this country.

The farther one rises up the political food chain, the more one has to be aware of what is required to maintain ones elected status, to have a constituency of voters which support you. Obama is acutely aware of what works for him and what can potentially work against him.

So, on the issue of gay marriage, he is straddling the fence:
"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them," said Obama on Sunday. "So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state...[source]

Why is this? Because "gay marriage" is used by the Republicans as an attack phrase to divide and deflect the attention of the voting public. It worked in the past and it would be a political mistake get sucked into that debate now. In my opinion, the phrase "civil unions" is being used to indicate the acceptance of the fact that same sex couples exist and should be afforded the same legal rights as everyone else.

By the way, lest we forget, sex on the beach will get you three months in Dubai.

Many of the other issues Marilyn raises are valid points to be addressed but ultimately they become political policy issues which must be solved higher up on the political food chain. To effect this, it is important that these issues are brought before both the public and the politicians. When issues are brought before the public, typically with media exposure, the politicians are more inclined to act.

The next president will face issues unprecedented in recent history. These issues will demand prioritization because some are so severe that they threaten the very fabric of our society. This is where the focus will be, where the public debate will be because it is what is necessary to steer a correct course through the shoals of this crisis towards an acceptable and effective solution.

Other issues, will be delegated outward through the government agencies for whatever attention they require. It is how the system works.

Finally, I am encouraged that Marilyn is pissed off. Apathy is the issue. This country is where it is because a very large part of the voting public just didn't care. They thought somebody else would do it and didn't want spend the time or energy to speak up in opposition. Change starts at the bottom and percolates to the top, that is the silent message of Obama.

10/16/2008 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Marilyn Picasso said...

I 4got ground water toxicity. America's AG community, has been combining oil based fertilizers, anahydrous ammonia to fix nitrogen for corn, and a family of herbicides and pesticides from Lasso to Roundup in our soil since the 50's. The theory was that this chemistry would be non residual and somehow dissipate in the ground through rain perculation or wishful thinking. It hasn't quite happened that way and more small towns across the nation are having to deal w/ ground water contamination. Law suits have proceeded like the tobacco litigation. Causal connections are hard to prove. Most water treatment facilities do not even test for ag residue. This is not a sexy topic, but eventually the bill will fall due. The benefits of organic farming are obvious, but I have not heard a single candidate mention this problem/solution.

I would also like to point out that the McCain camp in one of its more schizophrenic moments, was promoting their candidate as the CHANGE candidate. So, if both candidates have the same brand name, isn't this like Nader's two headed dragon metaphor I introduced above? If not how about a golf analogy, it's like a golfer wearing an Izod shirt as opposed to a Polo shirt. Big diff and both hurl-worthy right?

Hasn't THE PRESIDENT become more a matter of media gamesmanship?

10/16/2008 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger quirk29 said...

Did you foget to mention Dick Cheney?
Let us all hope and pray that these no good b#st*rds don't steal the election again. If they do, I hope we all start a new American Revolution and take the country back again.

10/16/2008 12:27:00 PM  

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