Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Happy 4th Open Thread

Have a safe and happy Independence Day Folks.

Consider this an open thread...what's on your minds?

Oh, and in honor of our nation's birthday, test how well you know the US with this quiz:

Do you have what it takes to become a citizen?



Blogger Christopher said...

Despite Richard Feigen's article in The Art Newspaper, I still like Damien Hirst.

7/03/2007 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...


7/03/2007 10:03:00 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

I want my country back.....

7/03/2007 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

then take it back...it's yours to give away or keep

7/03/2007 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a hard time seeing the flag without Bush and Cheney's urination stains on it.

Been trying the White House all morning long, lines are solidly busy.

7/03/2007 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...in my mind?

A few things:

Mr. Bush is our worst president ever. Worst than Mr. Reagan. At least 2 generations are going to pay for it. We should be very upset.

Feigen is an an 80's deja'vu. There is plenty of good art out there and in every generation. Crazy money shall pass like before. Everything will be fine. Galleries should worry about the rent.

Don't worry, Hirst is and will always be a great artist.

Fireworks are bad for the enviroment.

7/03/2007 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Christopher said...

Link for Ed (the link currently is not working, hopefully will be back up soon):


7/03/2007 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous pp said...

While you bla-bla

your artist has been named Artist Image of the Week! - and you seem to be in sleep!


7/03/2007 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Sunil said...

On my mind (since this is an open thread):
Commute back home without congestion pricing.
Work some more on a new painting tonight.
How come paintings sold for $10000 at the 'Affordable' Art Fair last month?
Hope nobody dies in Iraq on July 4th (just for one day, please).

7/03/2007 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger aurix said...

did anyone read roger kimball's piece, 'why the art world is a disaster' in the new criterion?


what do you think?

7/03/2007 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous jason said...

then take it back...it's yours to give away or keep

Ha, ha, very funny. You mean by logging a complaint on the White House's voicemail-for-disgruntled-voters, or by participating in one of the weekly D.C. protest marches? Or maybe you meant that we should wait until next year (yeah, we'll show 'em!), when we'll finally get our chance to participate in so-called democracy by voting for the lesser of two corrupt politicians?

The country is not yours, because it has always been Theirs. You don't have a say over the laws that govern your own life (or how 'justice' is determined), you don't have a say over the wars that your taxes fund, and you don't matter -- that is, unless you want to become like Them and play Their Game. Most won't even get that chance.

7/03/2007 03:05:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

The country is not yours, because it has always been Theirs. You don't have a say over the laws that govern your own life (or how 'justice' is determined), you don't have a say over the wars that your taxes fund, and you don't matter -- that is, unless you want to become like Them and play Their Game.

Or...and pay attention Jason, because until you learn this lesson you won't even stand the chance of having meaningful success...you start a new game, with new rules.

I watched "All the King's Men" the other night. And yes, they get Willie in the end, and no, he's hardly an ideal role model, but the fact he became Governor at all was entirely predicated on the fact that he threw out the rule book, not because, as you suggest he'd have to, he played by their rules.

I've said it repeatedly about the art world, and used examples like Damien Hirst and Pierogi, if things are stacked against you, change the freakin' rules. It's your only chance of seeing meaningful success.

So what does it mean in the world of US politics? How do you take it back? If I had the answer, I'd lead the revolution. I know it doesn't begin with cynicism or defeatism, though. None of the folks who've changed the game began from that point of view. They were all true believers, mostly in themselves. And maybe that's where you begin, by believing you can change things, without playing by their rules. Your defeatism might be comforting in a sour grapes sort of way, but it's hardly attractive, or in my experience, even realistic. Things do change. And the folks who change them reap the rewards.

7/03/2007 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Donna Dodson said...

aurix- i like the article you put up a link to- it's really funny!

7/03/2007 08:02:00 PM  
Blogger mary klein said...

My thoughts are with our deployed young military men and women. May they remain safe, strong and good - and return home soon.

7/03/2007 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous jason said...

you start a new game, with new rules.

Ok, now pay attention Edward_ ... you've totally misread my comment (maybe my fault) and have instead made my point for me -- thank you! I'm no defeatist and certainly no cynic, I just don't agree with your suggestions. I didn't mean that we should play Their game, but rather that if we tried to (by following your suggestions), we would either lose or become Them (corrupt, justice-skewing abusers). Obviously we don't want to become them! So you're absolutely right -- as long as we play by Their rules, we can't win. That is, calling the stupid government-sanctioned hotline and going to the official government-sanctioned marches is not going to change anything, because it still leaves the corrupt rich white guys with too much power over our own lives. Or, in your words, it leaves the rules of Their "game" in tact.

So the question becomes: which of Their rules, I mean laws, should we break first in order to empower ourselves? I'm open to suggestions.

For starters, I'm sick of all this legal march, walking around in circles in the officially cordoned-off areas, bullshit. If you really want to march, the only thing that's going to put the scare in those power-hoarding killers in Washington is an illegal march that shuts down the capital for a while. And we need numbers people! Ten young white kids getting arrested at the local recruiter station isn't going to be enough!!

7/04/2007 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger fisher6000 said...

Marching and protesting in general are not going to do anything, no matter who gets arrested.

A new protest paradigm is necessary, and JMHO, but I think it's more about jujitsu than boxing.

The corporate-government New Feudal Machine is so topheavy that it will fall all by itself if we all allow it to. The thing is that we *all* must become allowers instead of pushers.

Pushing on the machine just makes it stronger.

7/04/2007 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen, DF6K.

I protested in the 60's- it was effective then- the numbers and media coverage mattered.

In the early 80's I lived briefly in the mountains of SW Virginia where some RISD people had moved to wait for the 'inevitable' collapse of capitalism. I moved back to civilization and they may still be waiting. It's important to know when and where and how to push. I don't have those answers but I want to have faith that someone will.

7/04/2007 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Amen to the line about marching and protesting)

7/04/2007 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt… And if we feel their power just sufficiently to hoop us together, it will be the happiest situation in which we can exist. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Taylor, June 4, 1798 in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 1050

7/04/2007 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Mark Creegan said...

I like the YesMen tactics. That idea of seeming to be one of them but actually not. It is a shame that protesting has lost its effectiveness. Perhaps if more restrictions are placed on the protest, it may open areas for going against it and then it may become dangerous again. Meaning that it will be dangerous enough for the press to pay attention, although who wants another Kent State?

I am very proud of my 90% score on the test! I missed the one about the naturalization test (there is no way I could know that) and the one about the voting rights amendments.

7/04/2007 11:55:00 AM  
Blogger Soraya Marcano said...

1800's, 1898,1945,1961...is it Bush or is it US history???

7/04/2007 04:38:00 PM  
Blogger Donna Dodson said...

I am not so sure it is about marching or changing 'them' anymore... I am all about bringing back the manifesto in art and the marriage of life and art and I recently started a salon in my studio to mix things up... so far 200 people signed up and each time we have met, we have had 15-20 people... so I think it can and will take off- because its not something everyone is doing right now- I started it after years of feeling the need for it- without reading anything about it- but recently I read a book on Black Mountain College and that was helpful but there are other famous examples like the New England Transcendentalists, the Cedar Bar and blogs like this one... Good luck to anyone trying to find their voice and a way to make their ideas heard and exchanged with other souls...

7/04/2007 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger fisher6000 said...

It's not about changing "them" because we are "them." That's why the Yes Men strategy works so well.

Congratulations, Mark! You get an A!!!!

7/04/2007 11:49:00 PM  
Blogger Tightropewalker said...

I don't think the problem is with Capitalism per se, but more specifically with the corporate structure.

fisher6000's earlier allusion to the "corporate-government New Feudal Machine" I think is a fairly astute description though I don't think it is new. The corporation is structured like a fuedalist state and is by nature antithetical to the true democratic process. Where the CEO holds the position as King and reaps 400 times the rewards for the labors of the serfs. I don't believe the founders of our nation foresaw such a thing as a trans-national corporation and so couldn't have prepared a free market system to cope with it. But the sad fact is that corporate lobyist hold the vote and we do not.

Interesting fact: did you know that in the year 2005 Wal-Mart grossed more than all but the 21 richest nations in the world? In 2007 it's Revenue was $351.1 Billion! And 51 of the 100 largest economies in the world are corporations. Give the king a "security" force and see what happens. Probably the same kinds of things as the Bush administration have perpetrated. Except Bush has driven every business that he has ever headed into bankruptcy. Just think if Lee Scott, CEO of Wal-Mart were president - he might actually be effective in his diabolical plans!


Isn't that frightening? Wal-mart is a monarchy who's kingdom is decentralized and multinational, and who's annual budget rivals most countries on the planet. Oh, and I forgot to mention, because this kingdom is not a country it cannot be held accountable by the U.N and the international laws that protect human rights. And there are 51 of these corporations. History repeats itself. What did monarchies in the 19th century do when given the technology to travel the globe? Why they colonized weaker countries to pillage their natural and human resources! Now the corporation does just that in slightly more clever ways: Economic Colonialism. And we as citizens of G8 nations all reap the rewards of these exploits and are also responsible. Consumerism is the culprit.

Food for thought

7/05/2007 12:56:00 AM  
Blogger Lisa Hunter said...

Here's the beauty of the U.S. Constitution: its checks-and-balances, its insistence on frequent elections, and its freedom of speech guarantees were all put in there for one reason -- because the founders knew full well that elected officials would eventually abuse power or be incompetent crooks. The correction is built into the system because they foresaw things like Watergate, etc.

That's what I celebrated this fourth of July.

7/06/2007 09:04:00 PM  

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