Ah Nuts, He's Still on about the War
I'm the odd man out among most of my friends when it comes to the war. I marched against it and fiercely opposed it right up until the moment we took Baghdad. At that point, believing what Powell said to be true, I assumed we owned the state that we had broken.
Now I've had that line shoved back down my throat by hawks who'd retort, "it was broken before we got there" (as if that settled the matter in any practical way), but I still earnestly believe we're morally obligated to ensure as many Iraqis as possible survive this fiasco. To me, that's always meant not leaving until the country was secure and stable. Actually, more than that, to me it's meant delivering on the promise to leave them better off, with an Iraqi-sensible government that's fair and just in place.
After Baghdad fell, I continued to criticize the decision to enter the war (I believe it's important not to let huge mistakes like that go unpunished, lest they be repeated [read:"Iran"]), but I've tried as best I can in my rehtoric to give Bush the elbow room needed to beat back the insurgency and install some workable government. I've understood that meant supporting the continued presence of US troops in Iraq until that could happen. I've taken it on the chin from a few friends for doing so as well, but the President's not the only stubborn fool in the US, so I cling to what I believe is right.
Where I differ, and most vehemently, from the President about how this difficult transition is best made is in what the people of the US should be doing to support the effort. Bush tells us ad nauseum that Iraq is part of the overall "war on terror," and that it's the central conflict of our era, and that we cannot afford not to win that conflict, etc., etc., but for something so momumental, he never tells us what our role in it all should be. Leading up to the speech, pundits were reporting that he was going to make "sacrifice" a central them of his appeal to the nation. He mentioned it, but only in an nonspecific sense:
During WWII, non-military Americans were brought into the war effort with a nationally promoted set of very specific sacrifices: from war bonds, to rationing, to Victory Gardens, to women entering factories, to civilian defense efforts, there were clearcut things the average American could do to help win the war.
In my snarkier moments, I'll sneer that Bush has asked for sacrifices in the War on Terror: he's continually asked us to sacrifice our civil liberties...oh, and to shop more...but as Thomas Friedman notes in his column in the NYTimes today, there are very real and actually crucial sacrifices he should be demanding, and now [this is behind the Times ridiculous Times Select access control system, so I'm retyping it...all typos mine]:
So the speech on Wednesday was essentially a "stay on course" speech, regardless of how many poll-tested buzz words Rove managed to wedge in there. We're marching forward, sending more troops and spending more money, but still not involving the entire nation in what we're being told is the "decisive ideological struggle of our time." In other words, Bush is still not serious about winning. So the question is, what the hell is he really doing?
Now I've had that line shoved back down my throat by hawks who'd retort, "it was broken before we got there" (as if that settled the matter in any practical way), but I still earnestly believe we're morally obligated to ensure as many Iraqis as possible survive this fiasco. To me, that's always meant not leaving until the country was secure and stable. Actually, more than that, to me it's meant delivering on the promise to leave them better off, with an Iraqi-sensible government that's fair and just in place.
After Baghdad fell, I continued to criticize the decision to enter the war (I believe it's important not to let huge mistakes like that go unpunished, lest they be repeated [read:"Iran"]), but I've tried as best I can in my rehtoric to give Bush the elbow room needed to beat back the insurgency and install some workable government. I've understood that meant supporting the continued presence of US troops in Iraq until that could happen. I've taken it on the chin from a few friends for doing so as well, but the President's not the only stubborn fool in the US, so I cling to what I believe is right.
Where I differ, and most vehemently, from the President about how this difficult transition is best made is in what the people of the US should be doing to support the effort. Bush tells us ad nauseum that Iraq is part of the overall "war on terror," and that it's the central conflict of our era, and that we cannot afford not to win that conflict, etc., etc., but for something so momumental, he never tells us what our role in it all should be. Leading up to the speech, pundits were reporting that he was going to make "sacrifice" a central them of his appeal to the nation. He mentioned it, but only in an nonspecific sense:
Fellow citizens: The year ahead will demand more patience, sacrifice and resolve. It can be tempting to think that America can put aside the burdens of freedom. Yet times of testing reveal the character of a nation. And throughout our history, Americans have always defied the pessimists and seen our faith in freedom redeemed. Now America is engaged in a new struggle that will set the course for a new century. We can and we will prevail.
During WWII, non-military Americans were brought into the war effort with a nationally promoted set of very specific sacrifices: from war bonds, to rationing, to Victory Gardens, to women entering factories, to civilian defense efforts, there were clearcut things the average American could do to help win the war.
In my snarkier moments, I'll sneer that Bush has asked for sacrifices in the War on Terror: he's continually asked us to sacrifice our civil liberties...oh, and to shop more...but as Thomas Friedman notes in his column in the NYTimes today, there are very real and actually crucial sacrifices he should be demanding, and now [this is behind the Times ridiculous Times Select access control system, so I'm retyping it...all typos mine]:
Mr. President, you want a surge? I'll surge. I'll surge on the condition that you once and for all enlist the entire American people in this war effort, and stop putting it all on the shoulders of 130,000 military families, and now 20,000 more. I'll surge on the condition that you make them fight all of us--and that means a real energy policy, with a real gasoline tax, that ends our addiction to oil, shrinks the flow of petro-dollars to bad actors and makes America the world leader in conservation.Friedman goes on to hand the President his Commander-in-Chief balls on a platter, but that's for another day. I agree with Friedman that it's morally bankrupt of a President to expect the military families of the US to endure this seemingly endless agony on their own, without their neighbors having to interrupt their lives in the slightest. If his rhetoric about how important all this is is even half true, then he should be asking much, much more of his fellow Americans than just their patience as he fumbles his way from one sure-fire failure of a plan to the next one. Actually, at this point, if he was really serious about winning the war on terror, he'd resign (and I mean that), but then we'd have Dick Cheney as President, openly I mean, and, well, ... out of the pot, into the fire...and all that.
So the speech on Wednesday was essentially a "stay on course" speech, regardless of how many poll-tested buzz words Rove managed to wedge in there. We're marching forward, sending more troops and spending more money, but still not involving the entire nation in what we're being told is the "decisive ideological struggle of our time." In other words, Bush is still not serious about winning. So the question is, what the hell is he really doing?
24 Comments:
Good summary, Edward.
I keep hearing (and reading) people kvetching that Bush's recent address was nothing more than an attempt to "protect his legacy." I don't understand the comment; he isn't protecting anything. As you suggest, it was a "stay the course" announcement.
As reprehensible as I find their policy (and as misshapen as the needle of their moral compass is), it's clear that some members of the Bush administration are very intelligent. A stubborn subscriber to the naive notion that knowledge leads to thoghtful decision making, I'm continuly baffled by the actions of this administration, especially at this stage.
This most recent move is no exception. Given the choice to shit or get off the can, Bush has elected to continue reading the funnies. He's not wiping clean the legacy by doing so, and that shit's gonna stain.
Personally I'm not so sure W is all that concerned about his so-called legacy, or that he is in any position to be permitted concern over a legacy. Not anymore. Yeah the war in Iraq is his baby but I don't think he's calling the shots anymore or maybe never really was. Who then is? The Saudi's? Lee Raymond and the like? The Russian mob? The Chinese? Those who are really afraid of the Chinese (which pretty much includes everyone I suppose)? I'm pretty sure we will never really know. But we're (our military) is gonna get Iraqi oil privitized and that is all that matters (for now). Who exactly gets to control the spicket as time goes on, well that's a whole other story (war).
I routinely hear calls for the President to request broad-based sacrifice, but why do you and others need to hear this from a President you so clearly have no respect for? What stops the American people from making these sacrifices independently and encouraging their friends and neighbors to do the same?
The American Government should withdraw its' troops from Iraq, and support reconstruction efforts in Iraq through independent, non-political agencies, and, if possible, with the involvement of the United Nations. It's a simple as that.
A Canadian.
We don't hear much about the areas cleansed by Katrina any more, but the homes are not being built, the levee work is sporatic. The situation there parallels Iraq so clearly: the rhetoric is elevated, the money is allocated, but the work doesn't actually happen. Who is getting all the money?
If I thought the billion dollars for reconstructing Iraq would actually reconstruct Iraq, then I might be less militantly opposed to Bush's "new and improved" plan. The ineffectiveness, the lack of oversight are staggering.
And now, Joe Lieberman has decided not to investigate the government's handling of Katrina. If this level of devastation and lack of assistance had happened in CT, I doubt he would behave this way.
I think the solution to this whole mess is just to send everyone to their own room. Let the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds each have their own little country. And give them each about the same amount of access to oil reserves. Why we're so stuck on the idea of keeping Iraq as a country is a mystery to me. It was created by Western powers anyway, not by the people who live there.
It's very nice for Thomas Friedman to suggest increasing gasoline taxes, but what's he offering to sacrifice? I assume he lives in New York. Is he inviting us all to move in with him so we can ride the subway to work?
We already have plenty of money that could be spent on alternative energy, national health care, and all kinds of other important things. But we're spending it on, well, wars...
What stops the American people from making these sacrifices independently and encouraging their friends and neighbors to do the same?
Nothing stops us. Some of us are doing exactly that. In fact, even evangelicals and a few other hard right folks are changing their tune on conservation (mostly because they don't know how to sail, I'm assuming, but I don't want to underestimate the role taken by the man who should be in the White House now [Al Gore and his documentary] in changing minds and habits here), but unless I've totally misunderstood the role of the Commander-in-Chief, it's Bush's job to lead the country in such matters during wartime. His silence, then, reads as clear as calls not to care much at all about conservation. Which is reckless given our dependence on oil limits our options in really winning here.
But I'm curious, rather than ask why individual Americans are not doing enough, what makes one not want to ask why Bush isn't doing anything at all in this regard? Don't you see it as his role to do so? Of course nothing stops individuals from doing something on their own, but Bush doesn't hesitate to ask for patience while he fumbles his way...he doesn't hesitate to ask for billions of dollars more...he doesn't hesitate to ask for new Executive powers (ok, so for those he doesn't actually ask, he just takes)...he doesn't hesitate to ask for "sacrifice" in the abstract, either...he just fails to ask for specific sacrifices that might actually serve to make more Americans support his efforts.
In the end, that's what his role really is here...to keep the country behind the effort. One very good tool for doing so is by incorporating the whole country into the effort...giving the average American a role...some daily reminder that we're all in this together...not just daily reports that other people's children are dying.
I don't want to underestimate the role taken by the man who should be in the White House now [Al Gore and his documentary] in changing minds and habits here)
I doubt we could get Al Gore's documentary into the White House, but could try to get him there. Has anyone heard anything about him running? I think a Gore/Obama ticket would be a great one. Does anyone have Al's phone number?
Wishing Bush were different is like beating a dead horse, or trying to teach an old dog new tricks, or something else to do with animals (I'm not sure what).
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that should have been:
I don't want to underestimate the role taken by the man who should be in the White House now [Al Gore] and his documentary in changing minds and habits here)
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Wishing Bush were different is like beating a dead horse
Then let's get him out of there. Before 2009.
I still earnestly believe we're morally obligated to ensure as many Iraqis as possible survive this fiasco.
I still don't understand what the connection is between militarism and 'helping people to survive.' They are oppositional forces--especially considering that U.S. military presence in Iraq is at the root cause of the escalation of sectarian violence. Isn't the purpose of an army to propagate violence? The vast majority of U.S. troops in Iraq have never been trained to 'help' anyone.
But to think that the Bush-led force in Iraq would ever be interested in non-militaristic solutions to Iraq's problems would be to grossly misunderstand the U.S.'s intentions for invading Iraq in the first place.
One of the worst things about this president is that he has been so seemingly simple minded and incompetent that GOP will do some soul searching and conclude they need a candidate in 08 who's a no nonsense kind of guy, serious seeming and articulate. We could end up one day with truly dangerous minds like John McCain or Newt Gingrich as president. (I know, "how could be worse?" but seriously it could get worse.)
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Sorry to pick on you, EW. Couldn't resist :)
Then let's get him out of there. Before 2009.
I doubt he'll be going away before then, unless we send him hunting w/ Cheney. But maybe our new Congress can have something to say about this new "strategy"? It seems like he's even having trouble getting support from some of his Republicans, except Lieberman of course.
(I know, "how could be worse?" but seriously it could get worse.)
I agree, Christo. Bush has raised the bar (or is it lowered?) on how bad a president can be. But I'm sure there will be someone trying to beat his record.
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Sorry to pick on you, EW. Couldn't resist :)
Then let's get him out of there. Before 2009.
I doubt he'll be going away before then, unless we send him hunting w/ Cheney. But maybe our new Congress can have something to say about this new "strategy"? It seems like he's even having trouble getting support from some of his Republicans, except Lieberman of course.
(I know, "how could be worse?" but seriously it could get worse.)
I agree, Christo. Bush has raised the bar (or is it lowered?) on how bad a president can be. But I'm sure there will be someone trying to beat his record.
"how could IT be worse?.....
considering the earlier admonishments that missing "it" really stuck out, now that i think of it "it" seems like the wrong word...
I'm not sure whether it's the bar being lowered or raised or even if there's a bar at all. The current crop of 08 candidates for the GOP seem pretty beatable to me now but in a year and a half who knows? Imagine hard times and imagine the comforting spiel coming from an appealing guy like Sam Brownback . Appealing, that is, to right wingers and members of the American taliban. Remember that 75% plus Republicans still give W a favorable approval rating so it isn't too implausible to envision someone really, really right wing winning some primaries early on. Scary.
I know, it is pretty scary. I hope Gore runs (though I would certainly understand if he didn't want the job). I really think he and Obama would win, and that they'd be a great team for taking the country in a better direction (you know, away from the cliff).
Ed:
You are not the odd man.
Perhaps you are in the wrong place with the wrong people in the wrong forum?
Just a thought.
mls
The man and his friends are narcissistic ego-maniacs, unable to see what is really happening because of the big mirror in front of their noses. Don't you know, on a personal level, people like that. Who can misunderstand the simplest evidence in a way that vindicates and glorifies what is obvious to everyone else as bad behavior.
Inside the White House they absolutely believe in the cause. Every public statement is crafted to fool the citizens into going along. The real, un-answered, question is what their cause is. I believe the war is a big distracton, a feint. The magician is waving a red handkerchief but what is the other hand doing? The sky-rocketing natonal debt is a big clue.
Impeach the bastards right now, tie their hands and stop the killing. They have no shame and no empathy. That is not 'being tough.' It is being delusional.
sorry, i know this is offtopic, but anyone know what happened to edna's site?
The only thing that can save war-torn nations around the world is the one uniter above all else-- $, business, capitalism and greed.
Anything else-- giving them soldiers, giving them rice, giving them clothes won't cut it.
The only thing to ever drive people out of poverty and all that comes with it (reliance upon a "higher" power, etc., rather than on self-reliance) is a helping hand.
There's no reason for doctors, lawyers, and teachers to be hiding out in their apartments for months in isolation rather than being out in their previous workforce.
Instead of releasing the IPhone, Apple could be investing the same $$$ amount in rebuilding Iraq and expanding their product lines into the middle east.
The desire for gadgets, for material wealth is universal-- and the no-competition part of it would be huge for them.
But alas, that ain't the way life, corporations or governments operate.
Bring on the troops and guns instead.
Whatever.
Oly
lamgelinaoly.blogspot.com
The scale of the two things is entirely different. We're talking millions versus billions. Apple could liquidate the entire company and not make a dent in re-building Iraq. That is what governments are for, marshalling an entire countries resources.
this is not penny-ante action going on. It is corruption on a scale we have never seen before. It is not the same old "aren't people funny" stuff. It is the equivalent of class warfare on a world wide scale started and maintained by uber-rich white guys without any real concern for the effects of their actions. It will take craft and determination to stop them. Where is that coming from?
I won't debate you on the "should we stay or should we go" question. Sounds like you've been around and around that one already.
As to your question, Bush is still not serious about winning. So the question is, what the hell is he really doing?, I think this psychiatrist explains it well: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/12/22/101516/45
" I think this psychiatrist explains it well: "
Hey, he's saying what I've been saying. I swear I never read that before just now. How do I know about NPD? I used to be married to one . . .
Narcissism means never having to say you're sorry.
Bush genuinely believes that because democracy should flourish in the Middle East, it will. We will win because we should. If he had taken philosophy 101, he would have studied Kant's is/ought fallacy and known better. But then, he thought he should be president and then was....
What is really disturbing to me is that by some estimations 650,000 Iraqis have died due to the war either directly or indirectly. That is an astounding estimate released by the British Medical Journal.
While it is a high estimate compared with many others, they are also suggesting it's anywhere from 400,000 - 900,000. This is terrifying.
What sacrifices should we make? Revolution might be more appropriate than taxation.
-William
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