Thursday, August 24, 2006

The Relativity of the "Scarlet D" (Decadence)

The longer I'm able to hang around to see how things work, the more convinced I become that the whole of human experience is on a fractal-like loop, repeating locally every 30-40 years, and then on a larger scale every 100 years or so, and perhaps world-wide every few millenia. Lessons learned by one generation are essentially lost on those 2 generations away, lessons learned by one empire are lost on those a century away, and so on, and the cycle from optimism to dominance to decline to desperation to revolution to rebirth of optimism is repeated, ad infinitum, not because there's no record of having "been here, done that" but, I'm beginning to suspect, because we're hard-wired to travel that journey, as a species. Of course, it's not as linear as I'm suggesting here, fractals of the sequence overlap, with one segment rising as another is falling, and even within defined societies both happening at once in different realms.

But taking it as linear for the sake of clarity, I believe, we travel this journey because, like the simple beasts we are, we're hard-wired to destroy what other beasts build, feeling that its very existence challenges our desire for supremacy in our own time. This theory corresponds nicely to the pattern we see in art history, with the 20th Century being a textbook example of what I consider the "kill the monarch to supplant with the heir apparent" sequence of manifestos and "-isms."

Which brings me to Donald Kuspit's latest installment of his monumental series on artnet.com: A Critical History of 20th Century Art (Chapter 10: The Decadence of Advanced Art and the Return of Tradition and Beauty: The New as Tower of Conceptual Babel: The Tenth Decade.) If you haven't read all of these carefully considered but incredibly dense chapters (as I haven't due to lack of time), you might want to at least read this one.

It's stuffed with food for thought. There's so much to discuss in it, in fact, that I'll limit this post to one idea in particular: that the conventional wisdom about what in contemporary art is "decadent" is not only debatably backwards, but perhaps irrelevant, as "decadence" itself is relative.


The argument I hear most often about this is that contemporary art has abandoned the everyday concerns of the public at large and entered a cocoon of self-absorbed obsession with decadence. Kuspit suggests that's backwards (or at least it's nowhere near that simple):
There has been a slow but steady erosion of the esthetic in art -- its organic element, the factor that brings it alive as art -- climaxing in the devaluation and finally destruction of the esthetic itself. Ironically, this destruction occurs in the name of artistic progress -- the myth of artistic advance, which has dominated the 20th-century idea of artistic value. It has been reified in late avant-gardism, becoming a hollow cliché, however much it inspired the early avant-garde, when it seemed a liberating truth. It is the decadent, self-destructive aspect of avant-gardism, the hidden canker in its creative blossoming, the worm ironically lurking in its fruit from its beginning. In stripping art of the esthetic, the so-called left wing of avant-garde art, represented by Duchamp and Kosuth, undoes art’s inner connection to the organic and existential. "Leftist" art argues that it is "advancing" art by purging it of the esthetic, presumably making it a strictly "intellectual expression," to use Duchamp’s term, but this "conceptualization" of art puts it in the hands of the everyday, as Duchamp’s readymades and the many so-called conceptual works that follow in its wake indicate. If art’s whole point -- to the extent that it is art -- is to imaginatively transcend the everyday (non-artistic), esthetically disclosing the organic and existential horizons that subsume it, then the regression to the everyday is decadent and dehumanizing. There is a "right wing" of avant-garde art, represented by Monet and Matisse -- all those whom Duchamp dismissed as "sensual" painters guilty of "animal expression" ("the more sensual appeal a painting provided. . . the more animal it became") -- who advocate and refine the esthetic to a perceptual extreme, but they have increasingly lost ground to facile Duchampianism, with its pretensions to intellectual superiority. They have been labeled decadent by the Duchampians because of their unremitting sensuousness, but it is just that organic sensuousness that is the core of art as art, and as such more existentially purposeful than the conceptual pseudo-art that trivializes it as the "physical side of painting."
I have to side with that last idea actually (but then I am one of those most dreaded creatures, the aspiring aesthete). Despite appreciating the contributions of the strict conceptualists to the broadening of the scope of exploration, I do wish they had seen that the intellectual visual message is always more compelling (and therefore accessible and therefore on some level irresistible) with at least some consideration for the sensuality inherent in everyday objects. Ignoring or downplaying that is to lie to the viewer, in my opinion.

But back to decadence. Given that there are dueling definitions of it (and it's hard to see where they might be reconciled), I'm inclined to view them as projections by folks in the stream of one fractal of the loop onto those on another overlapping loop. In other words, what one sees as "decadence" is often only a frustration that others are not moving in the same direction at the same time. Those falling from optimism into decline see those progressing into dominance as "decadent" because they're eschewing the status quo, pushing the boundaries of acceptable thought and behavior, rejecting conservative values. On the other hand, those on the tail end of revolution, heading toward a constructive new optimism, see those conserving the old ways as "decadent" because they're complacent and self-absorbed.

Kuspit explains why this POV problem matters (from his POV admittedly, but mine as well) as we're bombarded with current populist efforts to label "art as art" with the Big Scarlet D:
The tearing down of the esthetic wall between non-artistic and artistic reality -- between social life and artistic reflection, or, more basically, between blind attachment to everyday life and insightful detachment from it -- seems to inaugurate an advanced new esthetics. But this supposedly unfamiliar, radical esthetics is the familiar quasi-esthetics of everyday life in artistic disguise -- a sort of artistic Emperor’s New Clothing on ironically naked banal objects and materials.
Anyone who's been reading here a while will know that I side with those who feel Art is the product of "insightful detachment" from social life. Not that I can't see the benefits of considering the aesthetic value of everyday objects and materials, but elevating that to a level parallel with the consideration of Art leads to a place I'd rather not go. As Kuspit explains:
They are asserted for themselves even as they are superficially transformed by being "considered" as art, suggesting the artist’s double identification, and perhaps above all, the impossibility of complete artistic transformation in modernity, with its all-encompassing secular everydayness, that is, its resecularization of reality, which is its real revolution: the banalization of perception. Instead of imaginatively distilling the esthetic juice of the ordinary so that its inner extraordinariness becomes evident, its ordinariness comes to matter more than its esthetic revelation through sanctified sensation, which is all but meaningless in a secular world.
Why, though, I can hear some people saying...why won't you believe in the social transformation the populists seek to bring? Because I believe in the loop and the relativity of "decadence." Yes, progress is made over the course of the centuries (and yes, we must fight to protect it once it's made), but that progress is regularly undone again too, as the tide turns and what was built is destroyed by the ambitions of the newest generation of barbarians who come to power. What tends to survive their pillaging, however, are the sensuous, mysterious objects they simply can't bring themselves to destroy. I like to believe that there's magic in such creations that transcends the consequences of the inescapable loop.

That's my theory anyway, and (for now) I'm sticking with it.

26 Comments:

Anonymous Dr. F said...

Lessons learned by one generation are essentially lost on those 2 generations away ... the cycle from optimism to dominance to decline to desperation to revolution to rebirth of optimism is repeated, ad infinitum, ... because we're hard-wired to travel that journey, as a species.

How very cynical. So your grand view is that progress is attained, but eventually lost, and the only thing we have to show for it are the visual mementos? It's no wonder you endorse the status quo while pursuing an art of detachment rather than engagement -- your hope is invested in objects, but you expect the worse from people.

8/24/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous kk said...

or to put it another way,
ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, even in the art world.
Darwinism rules! ask any art writer.

8/24/2006 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Yes, progress is made over the course of the centuries (and yes, we must fight to protect it once it's made), but that progress is regularly undone again too, as the tide turns and what was built is destroyed by the ambitions of the newest generation of barbarians who come to power.

Edward, I'm going to take issue with the idea that there is progress in art. Progress implies improvement. I think there is progression, which is to say that one thing follows another, but that seems very different to me from science or technology, where there very clearly is progress.

I think you're right, however about the cycles, and the fractal nature of them (cycles within cycles). Maybe the important thing about art is the cycles themselves.

8/24/2006 11:30:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

So your grand view is that progress is attained, but eventually lost, and the only thing we have to show for it are the visual mementos?

Something like that, yes. Only not just visual wrok, text survives as well, and moving forward perhaps (though there's no guarantee) time-based work will too. Of course, ideas and values survive for periods, but they seem to follow the rise and fall of empires more than art does.

To be blunt though, I see no reason to believe mankind won't go through another dark age (and then another, etc.)...there's nothing in our collective history that suggests we're now immune to the factors that will bring one.

Cynical? Perhaps. I don't know. I'm simply being honest.

It's no wonder you endorse the status quo while pursuing an art of detachment rather than engagement

Not quite. I'm a progressive. I endorse progress while there's an environment in which it's possible. I think the best, longest-lasting kind of progress, with regard to art, however, goes hand in hand with the basics (like layers of accessibility, the truth about the compelling nature of sensuality, and the value of detached consideration, as opposed to blind attachment, to use Kuspit's terms). This doesn't exclude or downplay the achievements of engaginment-based art, but does require such work to be aware of its limitations and to keep in touch with the basics, IMO, yes.

your hope is invested in objects, but you expect the worse from people

Hope? No, I invest no hope in objects. I see them as merely a recording of hope. As for people, I'm a realist...I expect the worst, but demand the best, from them.

8/24/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous emilyhall said...

I may be revealing my shortcomings here, but I'm finding this a bit too abstract to follow, at least in terms of the discussion of art itself.

I think adding some examples would help. What kind of work elevates everyday objects to a level parallel with the consideration of art? Are we talking about readymades? Koons's vacuum cleaner in a vitrine? What kind of work reveals the sensuality of these everyday objects? (Perhaps I'm getting hung up on the connotations of the word "sensuality" . . .)

8/24/2006 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous bnon said...

I agree that sensuousness is what survives, but there's something odd about not applying this criterion to ideas. It's rediculous to imagine that fundamentalist Duchampians don't strive to appeal to the senses as much as Monet or Vettriano (!). It's just a more rarified version--to appreciate an idea instead of paint handling or something. It strikes me like the absurd division people make between the mind and the body--as if they weren't the same thing! If Duchamp's intellectual gestures were not seductive, pleasing, and well, aesthetic, they'd be nothing. Same for Koons on down the line.

Another bone to pick, Edward: How can you generalize that art repeats in cycles down the centuries? This is ignoring the great change that occured throughout society, and not just art, called modernity. Not that art didn't change and evolve in cycles before, but what in the past was as big as modernity and Modernism? We're still trying to figure those things out.

8/24/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Hmmm....

I'm being criticized for being pro-progress and also for suggesting progress doesn't happen, so now even I'm getting confused. Let's put off whether Duchamp was anti-sensuality or not for the time being and deal with the idea of "progress."

David,, my comment was written before I saw yours so it's not a response to it. But help me here. If there's no "progress" in art, that suggests to me that each generation---indeed, perhaps each artist---submits to history the best art it can make and we accept it as such, not judging it in comparison to what came before or after. There's an appeal to that, I think, but I'm not sure where that leaves the role of art history in providing a foundation on which to build (another word that implies "improvement").

How can you generalize that art repeats in cycles down the centuries?

Actually, art's the one thing I meant to suggest transcends the cycles. Not that it's linear necessarily, but that it survives the cycles and so provide continuity that would otherwise get lost IMO.

8/24/2006 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Walker said...

If Duchamp's intellectual gestures were not seductive, pleasing, and well, aesthetic, they'd be nothing.

So "Fountain" was appealing in an aesthetic sense? I guess I just don't follow that. Of course, I'd be hanged by most of my art school contemporaries for thinking the same of what I consider the wretched "Bartered Bride" piece.

I'm probably showing my ignorance of much conceptual art here, so I won't claim expertise, but I've felt progress in the last century has primarily been found in the work of artists that refused to work in the grain of conceptualism, and instead embraced what they considered true beauty. Most of what I see when I visit art museums is your general art snob (psuedo or not) or people shrugging the usual "I just don't get it".

I'm probably parroting what's already been said, but I believe some of the best art simply provides insight into the everyday, instead of just honoring the everyday as everyday with no insight.

8/24/2006 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

If there's no "progress" in art, that suggests to me that each generation---indeed, perhaps each artist---submits to history the best art it can make and we accept it as such, not judging it in comparison to what came before or after.

Edward, I'm certainly not criticizing you for being pro-progress. Just engaging in a conversation about what progress means.

When we look at the history of science, I think we can generally agree that Einstein's theories were an improvement on Newton's, in that they are a better description (and more predictive) of the way the physical universe works. There's a pretty clear criteria as to what the goals of science are, so the fact of its progress can also be agreed on.

What are the goals of art? The answer to that continues to be debated, and is of course the subject of much of the art itself. I doubt we're close to having a consensus about it, and I don't think a consensus would be a good thing. Can a Duchamp be considered an improvement over a Raphael? If so, in what sense? (By the way, I'm not suggesting that the Raphael is better either).

Art has a history, of course, and anything that's done today is looked at in the context of that history. But is art progressing, or is it just involved in a long-running conversation? I tend to think the latter, and that the conversation itself is perhaps art's goal.

8/24/2006 02:01:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Awesome comment David.

I hadn't meant "being criticized" to read as I think you took it. It was simply shorthand.

I love your conclusion, mind you. But, having said that, there are similar progressions in art history to those in science (the discovery of perspective, for example) that represent an improvement to my mind. The growing sophistication of color theory, also, not to mention the growing sophistication of the social critique art can represent, no?

8/24/2006 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

There are discoveries, to be sure. One might argue that two of the ones you mention, perspective and color theory, while they occurred largely within the realm of art, add more to the progress of science (our understanding of light and of human perception) than to progress toward the still undefined goal of art. Also, if art were truly progressing, wouldn't most artists today be using what we've learned in those areas?

As far as the growing sophistication of social critique, true, but I think one could also argue that that very sophistication has alienated much of the public, and so is perhaps less likely to effect social change than less sophisticated means. If the goal of art is social critique, we probably have to evaluate it in part by how large an audience it influences.

I still think you were right on the money in your mention of cycles. And I think what is actually cycling is several opposing ideas about what art is, what it should be doing, and what we get from it.

8/24/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

I just got back from lunch and realized that I should have said "several competing ideas," not "opposing" (which implies just two).

8/24/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Ok I just read rapidly because I
must leave the computer, but I can you believe even artnet writers like Kuspir would be so wrong as to tag Duchamps for "stripping art of its aesthetic"?

What Duchamps did was provide an invitation to wonder at the aesthetic marvels of technological modernity, retriving the original purpose of the readymade with a little help from imagination.

"Why should I try to make modern art when there's that?". To me that was a strong aesthetic statement. The conceptual part is that he signed that "demonstration"
and titled it like it was mere dada pun, which perhaps it was in his head, but I'm more interested with the fascination that Duchamps had with everyday objects in the first place. Why ? Why ? Why ?
It must have been a sensual response, just quite a different one from Monet shoegazing at waterlillies and the wonders of nature.

This to say that since then design and architecture never stopped making "aesthetic" progress wrether art cared about it or not. We are far from being decadent on that aspect.

I generally think we've evolved through history. At least technologically.

The problem we need to always restart everything is because money (ressources, energy) passes hands from time to time, and so the poor people who have it rough at the expense of richer countries need to restart all over cos the rich countries never taught them or give them anything.

In that sense humanity has rarely ever made progress. Poor people are always confined in countries with sad dictatorships (be them politic or religious).

But of course if you visit Shangai
you will get a sense that things are getting ways more sophisticated there than throlling around in New York. You got to
be able to stay aware of changes
and where progress is actually happening.


Cheers,

Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

8/24/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous onesock said...

Cedric, as a sensual conceptualist myself I would like to believe Duchamp made invitations to "wonder at the esthetic marvels of ..modernity" but that just isnt the case,at least if we take Marcel's word ("visual indifference") for it. What he did was to invite us to wonder at the ineffectualness of using pure esthetic objects to impart meaning in life, when language holds the cruz of that job. But,as spiritual? beings we cannot completely ignore the emotional desire to feel it in our gut, can we? Its as if, since our senses are doing the job of perceiving, perception alone must be enough to figure out what is meaningful . But, there is something deceptive and untrustworthy in soley relying on sensual perception alone , as any of my many broken hearts can atest.

So, perhaps this cycle in history you mention is just the pendulum swing between the mind and the soul/heart? Which one is the primary tool to use in order to adequately make meaning out of life? Since they both fail on their own (without the other) then it is natural to see how things start a-swinging. I mean, all of the yin/yangy, contrasty, peanut butter and jelly-y concepts we learned in school point to this swinging action- Pragmatism/Romanticism, Appolonian/Dionesian, Capitalist/Marxist, does it not?

8/24/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

onesock:
>>>What he did was to invite us to >>>wonder at the ineffectualness >>>of using pure esthetic objects >>>to impart meaning in life, when >>>language holds the cruz of that >>>job.


Really? Why didn't he just picked a Kandinsky?

He picked an everyday object as it was a provocative artefact. And I know that he meant people to apprehend the work from the POV of the original purpose of the object and how he attempted to shift its meaning by taggling it with another word. I know I'm supposed to think "hmmm...fountain vs urinal....urinal vs fountain...hmmm...." and stick with my ability to conceive or not of this transgression in meaning.


But I guess his mistake was to call it Fountain, what relegated the work to a mere battle of language and definition. Damn wall titles..Can they just leave the objects alone? Not everyone at that time had a clear idea of what a urinal looked like anyway. Can you imagine a peasant coming to Paris for the first time in the early 1910's and seeing this object lying on the floor?

I'm just saying that what Duchamps also did, regardless of his intention, was to marvel at the excentricities of industrial design, just like that poor clueless peasant would have probably wondered what was that object and what it was made of. Somewhere outside every meaning battles this work had a greater purpose.


The Duchamps Fountain should ultimately hold only one meaning and that it is art. Of course art is a plato's cave just like everything else. Obviously that is in big part what this work meant to tell. But a failure of aesthetic to impart meaning?
Who cares anyway? What about the failure of meaning to detach itself from perception? Isn't this as wonderful a phenomenon and as greater an opportunity for art?

Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

8/24/2006 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger onesock said...

But a failure of aesthetic to impart meaning?
Who cares anyway? What about the failure of meaning to detach itself from perception? Isn't this as wonderful a phenomenon and as greater an opportunity for art?


No arguements here. What I meant was Duchamp freed art from the precept that perception alone (pure,divorced from language) can do all the work. One can argue as Kuspit does that Braque made this leap first.

8/24/2006 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger onesock said...

I think "fountain" as a title is perfect if one is dealing in the realm of the non-esthetic (neither good or bad). And a urinal certainly covers this quality as well. One can see that it all estheticized now. Duchamp new of this danger and limited this project to only a few objects.

WHenever Duchamp comes up or, for that matter, Hirst, Emin, ect, (as Kuspit regurgitates) everything is discussed in such black and white terms. The reality is so much more nuanced. Most artists today in this post-conceptual era or whatever ya wanna call it acknowledge the dual relationship of the perceptual and intellectual facets that comprise a meaningful work of art.

8/24/2006 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous ml said...

I think "the inescapable loop" of the best of art is sharing in the artists' struggle to find harmony, beauty and/or truth. Conceptual art and our era are obsessed with truth. This is not a bad thing, just one side of the triangle of human experience. The imbalance will correct itself and become imbalanced at a different angle.

Thanks to all for the interesting thoughts.

8/24/2006 09:10:00 PM  
Blogger onesock said...

So what are everyones thoughts about Kuspit's "New Old -Masterism"?

Here: http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/frontpage.asp

Myself: I am findining it difficuilt to tyype wif my finger in my mouf.

8/25/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

onesock, I think all the New Yorkers have gone to the Hamptons.

I read Kuspit's article. I like many of the artists he cites, but if I were one of them I think I'd be embarrassed to be labeled a New Old Master. If he wants his new movement to catch on, he's got to come up with a better name for it.

8/25/2006 05:42:00 PM  
Blogger onesock said...

Kuspit: Art lost esthetic and existential substance through its Conceptualist dematerialization and Minimalist depersonalization. The New Old Masterism rematerializes and repersonalizes art, hoping to restore it to the human and esthetic meaningfulness and integrity it once had.

Didnt the Nazis say something similar? What an unimaginative old fart!

8/26/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Kuspit is out of the loop.

People are tired of a nail on the wall as art, but with little effort they are many great installation and sculptural works done today that don't need to borrow from traditional representation.


However great is your figurative painting I'm afraid that turning painting into image-making (old masterism) will always be cursed by postcardish appeal.

I know now we've agreed that image-making in painting is no more in competition with photography, but as long as your painting stays the same when it is photographed...
Than you're not exactly a painter are you? I'm not sure. Maybe.
Sounds like making images is you art and painting a medium, but they are artists who truly wish to explore painting, and I don't see a problem with revealing painting as an object (old masterism sounds more like dematerialized movie screen to me).

At any rates, bla bla bla,
I'll never write on Artnet and will remain frustrated that some people skilled and educated like Kuspit do. What can I do?
Art is oh, so bourgeois.


Cheers,

Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

8/26/2006 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Actually I'm wrong...
Neo-old masterism probably wishes it was a movie screen but it can't be anymore.

If you do Vermeer than you might as well filled it with an antique wooden carved frame because your painting will remain an object that looks like a classic museal painting. Might as well have it shown exclusively in some Neitherland museum. It's that coded, that significant.


Cheers,

Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

8/26/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

David points are well taken.

He said "But is art progressing, or is it just involved in a long-running conversation?" I agree with the implications of his remark.

Where I would suggest the issue of "progress in art" is problematic is in the general all encompassing implications of the word "art."

A great individual work of art evokes a strong aesthetic experience, a visceral psychological reaction which is different and independent from other the other types of interactive responses we may have with the artwork.

As such, the aesthetic response is not subject to progress. The aesthetic response is there (to some degree) or it is not, for cave paintings to an artwork of the present. We may use different words to describe what we are feeling just as we might use different words to describe "joy" or "fear" It is not conceptual it is emotional.

What is actually being referred to by the idea of progress, is style, the changing shape of aesthetic forms over the ages. Style is essentially nothing more than fashion. Like fashion it changes and evolves but this is not progress, just change.

There is technological progress which can affect the mediums used to make art objects. Technological change can obviously affect style but in itself it cannot guarantee the aesthetic experience. New technologies frequently evoke an engagement or response from the viewer but in most cases this is the novelty response.

The goal of art is to evoke the aesthetic response. There doesn’t seem to be any limitations on how this can be achieved (contrary to Kuspit’s position)

Everything else is part of the conversation, interesting, maybe fashionable, part of the historical moment, but not a direct cause of the aesthetic response.

Finally, I agree with Edward’s ideas about cycles. There has been considerable research on this topic in several other areas of interest. They may or may not occur for the reasons Edward stated but the do occur. This includes cycles in the art world as well which I believe occur for fairly simple reasons.

8/27/2006 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Finally, I agree with Edward’s ideas about cycles. There has been considerable research on this topic in several other areas of interest.

George Soros wrote some interesting things about this (I can't remember the book title). He said that things will keep progressing in one direction until they reach a point of excess, and then will move in the opposite direction until the same thing happens, then reverse again. The cycles can be very slow or very fast, but it's the same basic pattern. He was writing primarily about financial markets, but suggested that the same cycles occur in other areas. Art and politics are probably good examples.

8/27/2006 11:20:00 AM  
Blogger George said...

More on cycles:
Edward R Dewey, the Chief Economic Analyst of the Department of Commerce in 1931 formed the Foundation for the Study of Cycles (FSC) in 1942 which continued until 1996.

"Over the years he traced the varying cycles in stock market prices, the economy, wildlife abundance, prices of wheat, corn and cotton, precipitation, in wars, tree rings and fashion designs, and many, many more. Cycles were found with periods ranging from months to hundreds of years and several thousand cycles were recorded."[source].

For further research see Cycles Research Institute and this topic

8/27/2006 01:35:00 PM  

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