Sunday, June 18, 2006

Loyalty on the Ropes

When poverty walks in the door, they say, love flies out the window. Apparently, when prosperity walks in the door, however, loyalty can fly out that same window.

As an art dealer, I can't help but feel for my colleagues experiencing the frenzy of defections by their big-name artists in these heady days of art market madness. The rumors about who's moving where are reaching a fevered pitch in Chelsea, and a strange sense that, as an artist, if you're not moving "up the food chain" (pooly defined as that may be), you're in danger of becoming irreverent, is spreading like a highly contagious virus. First was John Currin, then Tom Friedman (both to Gagosian), and now there's a seemingly frenzied rush out the doors of galleries that, in my eyes, are quite successful and work very hard for their artists. The Times reports today:
Defections seem to be contagious in Chelsea these days. Long-settled artists are suddenly playing the field, ditching their dealers in favor of galleries with bigger spaces, better locations, stronger connections to museums and collectors and — perhaps most important — a star-studded roster of artists.

"It's beginning to feel like the good old 80's, no?" said Friedrich Petzel, who recently lost Richard Phillips to Gagosian. Not since then has so much Wall Street money flowed steadily into the art market, prompting artists to scamper from gallery to gallery in pursuit of riches and fame.

The difference today, many dealers say, is that it's the successful artists — whose work commands dizzying sums— who are defecting. "Artists used to leave because they weren't doing well enough," said Helene Winer, a co-owner of Metro Pictures. "Now they're leaving because they're so successful. They're vulnerable to offers from other dealers. We have to adjust if we want to keep them."

In the last year Chris Ofili left Gavin Brown, Sue Williams dumped 303 Gallery, and Lisa Yuskavage bid goodbye to Marianne Boesky, all for David Zwirner's rapidly expanding gallery in Chelsea. And in one of the most talked-about moves of the spring, the artist Paul McCarthy severed a 14-year relationship with Luhring Augustine in favor of Hauser & Wirth of London and Zurich. (News of Mr. McCarthy's defection arrived in the form of a brief letter via Federal Express, Lawrence Luhring said in an interview.)
And at a party recently, some well-informed insiders noted a few other high-profile defections they're heard were underway. I won't say who just yet, but, if true, it suggests that it's not only established galleries or their well-settled artists who are being poached by the big fish.

We, like many galleries, don't have contracts with our artists. We rely on mutual respect and a demonstrable effort on their behalf to keep our artists happy with our relationship. But we're not naive. We tell our artists that if a bigger gallery comes calling and they feel it's an important change for them to do what they feel is best. We advise them to consider it carefully and to understand we'll wish them well if they go but we can't leave their slot open if that move turns out not to be what they thought it would be.


Now, I've been in the biz long enough, and have enough artists as friends, to know that very few artists are perfectly thrilled with every aspect of their gallery. Most like to bitch to their friends (and dealers do the same, mind you), but that's simply the nature of human relationships. There are, however, better ways of dealing with contentions than we're seeing in some of these examples (emails letting their gallery know they're finished? FedEx'd letters? [what ever happened to artists with balls?] Why not a text message, for God's sake?).

I've had the honor of having an artist respect us enough to explain what factors about the relationship were making them think about switching galleries...giving us an opportunity to address those issues. (Like any gallery, if we don't know what's wrong, we can't fix it.) I have immense respect for that artist for being mature enough to approach the situation in that manner. I wish others were as thoughtful. And, of course, there's the other side to this story: galleries dropping artists. I've done that well, and I've done it shamefully poorly. Believe me, you'll always sleep better having done it well.

Now it's no secret that many well-established galleries are looking for more inventory. They sell out at art fairs and sell out their exhibitions, and a few have been known to have to simply skip an art fair because they couldn't come up with enough work to make it worth while. I'm sure this drives artists seeking representation absolutely nuts, but the inventory those galleries are seeking is by instantly sellable "names," not newbies (they leave the hard work of building reputations to the galleries they poach from). What may be less well known, or remembered, actually, is that when the corrections come (and they will), even established galleries that have overextended their stables will need to trim back. Artists who jumped while the jumping was good may find themselves unrepresented. If enough artists find themselves in that position, even the "names" may go wanting for any space that will exhibit their work.

All of which is another way to say artists should consider carefully (with an eye on the long term) why they want to move. If a gallery is truly holding them back, that's one thing. But if it's just more quick cash, it might be a big mistake, careerwise. Not to mention soulwise. Some of these artists are leaving after more than a decade of service and loyalty from their gallery, one...notoriously...during a major retrospective at a major museum that their former gallery had every right to take a good deal of credit for. But, I guess, that's how this game is played, and if you can't stand the heat....

The thing for me, and many other dealers I know, is that I have no delusions about getting filthy rich from this venture. I opened a gallery because I love art and love the dialog. So it's particularly annoying when folks argue that there's no need to take disloyalty personally...the "it's just business" excuse. For me it's deeply personal. That doesn't mean an artist shouldn't move on if unhappy. But I hope it would mean they'd not do so via email.

85 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, come on, spill the beans. Who else is rumored to be moving? I'd guess jealous stablemates from Petzel, Boesky, Luhring, and the other poached galleries. My bets are on Barnaby Furnas, Gregory Crewdson and Dirk Skreber...maybe even Dana Schutz perhaps (Zach Feuer has been doing b-list fairs).

6/18/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger Fabio said...

Well, as painful as it is, could this be an opportunity for others to gain a spot at the galleries with new vacancies?

Also, I do appreciate Ed's comments - no matter what business you are in, it can't hurt to tell you business partners that you want to move face to face.

6/18/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous anne said...

Edward, thank you for your history of wonderful posts. You got guts - the Smithsonian/Big Oil post is of real merit. But today, you mention that:

" What may be less well known, or remembered, actually, is that when the corrections come (and they will), even established galleries that have overextended their stables will need to trim back. Artists who jumped while the jumping was good may find themselves unrepresented. If enough artists find themselves in that position, even the "names" may go wanting for any space that will exhibit their work. "

This infers that artists who jump ship now will pay a price in the future for this show of disloyalty to their second-tier galleries, and this will come because of a correction that in your estimation is bound to happen. I can't speak to the possibility of a correction, but I'm not quite so sure about the price to be paid by the artstars if one does indeed occur.

What I remember happening in the early nineties was not that these very famous artists stopped working (as artists, we work whether represented or not, whether stars or not), but instead that the galleries who showed the lesser stars went out of business - at least that's what happened in Chicago. Several dealers simply threw in the towel, leaving plenty of accomplished artists looking for a place to show. If a correction happens again, what second-tier gallery would balk at showing a newly shining star -- one 'trimmed' by Larry et al -- this new star being one whose career and reputation has been amplified by a globally-recognized gallery? Bear in mind that a correction means the economic climate would be more difficult all around. Why would an artist choose to stay with a second-tier space now, knowing that it may not be in business after a correction? This said, it is absolutely unfeeling, let alone tactless, for an artist to terminate a relationship with a dealer via fedex (or text message!) when that dealer has worked faithfully over the years to advance said artist's career. Everyone's still going to be here, after all.

Sadly, loyalty doesn't seem to be rewarded in the art world, to say nothing of how it has been devalued in the business world in the span of my lifetime. Perhaps fulfilling relationships are the ultimate reward of loyalty, whether personal or professional, but fulfillment is one thing, and money another. It is a pity that the two are not equally treasured.

6/18/2006 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

You're right, of course, Anne. It's not as certainly linear as I suggest. I sometimes edit out the caveats I know go along with the hypotheticals. Sorry about that.

Many artists who move may be quite happy they did. My point is mostly that those who move because they have a bad situation, I support. Those who move solely for more cash, while there's cash to be gotten, might consider the possible ramifications of letting the art world know they're not very loyal. You suggest second-tier galleries will gladly snap up the stars who find themselves galleryless, but I, for one, consider carefully how a new artist will contribute to or detract from the sense of comaraderie and overall atmosphere at the gallery. If someone has been thoughtless to a previous gallery (and gallerists do know each other), I'd be rather hesitant to bring them on. Others mileage may vary.

6/18/2006 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Edward you are a very dedicated director who blogs about art. This is very rare.


Every artist should quit their boring no-personality gallerists right now and go with a gallerist who can blog about art.


Or.

Why can't an artist simply sign a contract per exhibit and try all sorts of different gallery spaces?

It's boring to always have to show in the same place years after years.

And I don't see what David Zwirner or Gagosian Uptown or Pace or Marian Goodman have to offer in spaces that other gallerists don't have. Gagosian Chelsea is big but that's only good for artists with big works, and frankly, the guards are annoying. Having people watching me watch art has never been my cup of tea.


Paul McCarthy made a stupid unintelligible mistake. I would have said to Luhring: "Ok..I'm going there cos they have great deal and money to offer, but I can still show at your space next year". Why quit a gallery?
Because the new one asks for exclusivity? That is so boring.
Luhring has a much better website than Gagosian, by the way, though it took them years to have it done.

Who represents MCCarthy in goddamn New York anyway? Duh?


Still, I think much of Chelsea galleries are very impersonal. Almost as if going for one or another makes absolutely no difference (darn..skip the "almost").


Many also have employees to direct them, the owners being virtually absent.

The cheap McCarthy Fedex could as well be a work of art representing how the art world turned to be such a white cell bureaucracy, on whichever side (gallerist and artist).


At any rate, I'm fan enough of art to always check artists cvs, and I think you're right that people notice these things: when a gallery
had 15+ shows of one artist before they moved on. Most of the time the mid-stage galleries you refer to already picked them up from smaller galleries.
So I guess it's ok to have 10 big monsters eating up the mid-stage but that doesn't make them any more interesting (and neither the artists more interesting).


Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com







PS:
By the way I've made love declarations by email in the past, because I didn't have the balls to tell them in person. Does that cheapens them out? ..Hmmm...Probably why it never worked out.

6/18/2006 07:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Opps..wow..I compared Luhring to Gago for a sec because I thought mccarthy was going there, then I remember it was hauser + wirth, hence the next sentence.

Well, I'm the geek always correcting his replies.


Cedric

6/18/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Blogger Fabio said...

"And I don't see what David Zwirner or Gagosian Uptown or Pace or Marian Goodman have to offer in spaces that other gallerists don't have."

This is a good question for Ed from the masses. Would it be wrong to say that galleries like Gagosian have connections to lots of wealthy of buyers and museums?

I also suppose that wealthier gallerists can offer some unusual deals. For example, isn't the standard cut 50/50 (or so) tween artist and dealer? A fancy gallery could make this more lucrative for the artist - say 60/40 or better - and fetch higher prices. They could also pull strings at art magazines, print glossies, pay for books/catalogues, etc. I imagine a "power" gallery has all sorts of bells and whistles that could appeal to an artist.

6/19/2006 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Collectors and museums who wait that something is at Gagosian before they buy them are bad collectors and museums.

Also, stupid, because by the time something is at gagosian prices are probably going up up up.


And if a small gallery whines then they can offer 80 per cent to the artist. I'd be glad to have 20 per cent for how much these things go for !!


Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

6/19/2006 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't the galleries who've been dumped by their "art stars" just get more fresh meat from the nearest art school? I mean isn't that what they do? What's the big deal? We're not talking about Leo Castelli here, after all. His artists were loyal to him because he was worthy of their respect. If galleries operate as primadona opportunists, why are they suprised when their artists do the same?

6/19/2006 02:29:00 AM  
Blogger fisher6000 said...

Loyalty is a good business behavior, Edward, you are right. And this is sound advice, to remember loyalty as part of the equation. It is interesting, though, that it's not always appropriate to be loyal.

Some artists, like McCarthy, can break up with their gallery via fed exed letter, even if there is a correction, because some artists' product is simply more relevant than others'. Bad behavior or no, the very dismissiveness of the gesture winds up being a flourish of power, and is relevant. Duchamp wouldn't have gotten anywhere if he wasn't behaving badly.

This creates a weird social landscape to navigate. Bad behavior is more than tolerated--it's leveraged, and of course who doesn't think their own art is extremely relevant and worth the risk? Many artists I know wind up placing a series of bets about the power of their own ego. Yuskavage, Currin, McCarthy... can all do the asshole move and be better off for it come Correction Day. It's the people who guess wrong about where they are on the pile that are going to be screwed.

Hubris strikes the overextended.

My question is what about the artists who are on the Yuskavage/Currin/McCarthy strata and do not use bad behavior to grab power. Does loyalty handicap them?

6/19/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Can't the galleries who've been dumped by their "art stars" just get more fresh meat from the nearest art school?

Sure, if they want to run their space as a charity to emerging artists. Not many do though. The money and time and emotional energy invested in an unknown often doesn't come back to a gallery for many years.

I mean isn't that what they do?

No, actually. Most emerging galleries assume they're investing in young artists who will stay with them once their prices rise. More than that, they form relationships very akin to familial relationships. Which is why it's painful when that ends.

What's the big deal? We're not talking about Leo Castelli here, after all.

I'm not sure I agree. The galleries that have lost artists recently are comparable to Castelli in some ways. Daring, already in the history books, and loyal from their end.

His artists were loyal to him because he was worthy of their respect.

One of the galleries in question is phenomenally loyal to its artists. The stuff of legends. If that's not worthy of respect, I don't know what is.

If galleries operate as primadona opportunists, why are they suprised when their artists do the same?

Until you provide relevant examples of this, I'll consider that a throw-away line not worthy of response.

6/19/2006 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous bambino said...

Loyalty is like a marriage. You do not cheat, and if you have problems, you must talk about. You have to be open, and honest. I thinks that how is suppose to work in marriage, business relationship, friendship. If something bothers or doesnt work for you, why torture yourself and others. Go face to face and talk about. Life is short, and you never know, what will happens in future. You might need that person whom you let go, or you might need that person whom you left.
I guess my point is be nice, and professional.

6/19/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Loyalty is like a marriage.

Bambino, I'm assuming you mean that an artist/gallery relationship is like a marriage. In which case that's probably only true in Utah. :)

6/19/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous bambino said...

david

yes i mean marriage between gallery and artist.

ps. why Utah??

6/19/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

because some people in Utah have more than one wife. We'll watch "Big Love" on HBO, and you'll get it.

;-)

6/19/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger Art Soldier said...

How does this issue have anything to do with loyalty? Are artists who switch galleries being disloyal? Of course not, they are not required to stay with their gallery forever in order to remain loyal. Rather, it sounds like what you're really pissed off about is how each artist severed his/her relationship with their dealer, and their reasons for doing so.

In Friedman's case, his split with Hudson seems like it was both amicable and understandable (considering the size limitations of his gallery). As for the others, the real source of distaste is the probable motivations for their decisions to switch -- GREED. So I see this article as an exposé of greed, not disloyalty. Unfortunately, rampant greed (on both sides) has a much larger effect on the shape of the artworld than merely determining the movements of artists from one gallery to another.

6/19/2006 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

I disagree, Art Soldier. It's very much about loyalty. The issue is whether an artist owes anything to the gallery that represented them until they got big enough to be desirable by bigger galleries or not. It's more complicated than that, and each case is different, but it's definitely a loyalty issue.

Some of the galleries and artists in questions were together during the very bleak days of the early 90's. Those galleries stuck it out, believing in their artists, and making do in meager times, just to be rewarded with defections when the market bounced back.

Not sure how else to define that but as disloyalty.

artists who switch galleries being disloyal? Of course not, they are not required to stay with their gallery forever in order to remain loyal.

This bit is nonsensical to me. Loyalty is not an issue of being required to stay. It's an issue of doing so out of respect and a sense of shared purpose...or a sense of owing each other something.

And did you read the article? It hardly sounds as if Hudson is pleased by Tom's decision. I can't say, not being privvy to the discussions, but the Times report suggests Hudson was upset.

6/19/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous bambino said...

I disagree art soldier. It's not fair to art dealers and galleriest what they do for their artists. It's a lot of work. And it is about loyalty.
I totally agree with you Ed, it's not about an issue of being to stay.

6/19/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

ps. why Utah??

Because we usually think of a marriage as between two people who have an equal stake in the relationship. Utah is the one place I'm aware of where polygamy, though officially illegal, is still sanctioned by part of the population.

It's probably good to remember that an artist has alot more at risk in this situation than the gallery. If an artist has a relationship with only one gallery, they are totally dependent on that gallery for their living and for any chance they may have at career success. The gallery, on the other hand, may represent a dozen, or maybe even twenty or more artists. If one or two of them do well, the gallery makes money. It's like buying stocks.

For the artist the stakes are huge; their whole career is on the line, and most are aware that as they get older they will have fewer and fewer opportunities if they don't make it while they can. The wrong choice can mean the difference between an art career and a day job.

I'm certainly not defending bad behavior on the part of artists. But it's also important to realize that we're not talking about an equal realtionship here either,

6/19/2006 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

I'm certainly not defending bad behavior on the part of artists. But it's also important to realize that we're not talking about an equal realtionship here either,

Good point. But only true up to a point.

After an artist has a good career (and one assumes due in part to the faith demonstrated and effort by his/her gallery), he/she has more power than the gallery. What a gallery hopes will keep the artist with the gallery at that point is a mutual respect and sense that it was a team effort. The gallery has a responsibility to grow so it can continue to serve the artist's needs when they're more well known, but I find the idea that any gallery is merely a launch pad very offensive.

6/19/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Dude, where's my contract? said...

It's really nice to hear your thoughts on this Ed. And what you've written speaks loads to your integrity. But I'm not sure that all gallerists have the same amount of loyalty to their artists. I can only speak from an artists point of view, from my experience and those of my artist friends (I'm not privy to the behind the scenes relationships between blue chip galleries and their artists—well... maybe a few). As an artist, if I landed a gallery that supported me and believed in me the way that you are describing, I would stick with them through quite a lot.

But I think that one point not brought up is the fact that the artist/dealer relationship has changed over the years. I don't really know what it was like in the 50's, 60's or 70's. But one result of all the money in the 80's is that gallery/artist contracts were the norm. I worked in a gallery in the early 90's that was transitioning to blue chip status and they almost always had contracts with their artists. This would mean a one, two or three year contract that stipulated how many one person shows the artist would have, what other support the gallery would provide (documentation, catalogues, promotion, group shows etc.) and how exclusive the relationship would be (what would be the terms of agreement for showing at other galleries—share of profit etc.). This set forth the expectations and obligations between both parties very clearly and I think this probably became the norm in the 80s to curb all the gallery hopping and poaching going on. It was a way of regulating all the insanity.

Sometime in the early to mid nineties after the art market had completely tanked, galleries stopped giving artists contracts. In an unstable and atrophied art market, artists, I think, still wanted contracts to have some stability, but it was in the galleries' interest to give up this practice. Galleries wanted to have the freedom to take on or drop artists as they saw fit. This meant that a gallery could easily drop an artist that wasn't being profitable for them and this was needed as profits were down across the board. Thus started the new era of informal relationships between artists and dealers which ultimately benefited dealers more than artists. In the 80's representation meant that there existed a contract between artist and gallerist. Now, for many galleries "representation" means a gallery can claim an artist as represented by them when it suits them, but they need not promise anything. This kind of "representation" is usually not defined and it can mean different things to different people and it usually does.

Artist/dealer relationships can indeed be familial (in a good way), friendship-like, rewarding and loyal. But I think the quality of the relationship will be a reflection of the character of the people involved. Not every dealer is as loyal or worthy of loyalty as you Ed. To keep thing professional and to safe guard everyone in the process, I think contracts are not a bad idea. It's too bad dealers don't feel the same.

6/19/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous bambino said...

I believe artist could work with few galleries at once, as long if all of them know about each other. Also I think it's same risk for the galleries as for artists. Cause in your sample david you said that artist will work only with one gallery. I totally agree, but think about the gallery. The gallery have to spend money to advertise the artist, and take to the fair, give a show (it means advertising expenses and all office expenses and on top of rent of the place) And guess if the artist doesnt sell, it's a huge risk for the gallery as well. Isn't? You may run out of business.

Tell me if I am wrong

6/19/2006 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Edward, I see that while I was writing my longwinded response to Bambino's Utah question, you went ahead and answered him.

Living on the left coast, I'm not that aware of the particular workings of the galleries mentioned in the NYT article. Though even out here, Hudson (over at Feature) has a reputation as being a real gem, so it's a shame he was treated that way.

Among the artists I know, their experiences with galleries run the gamut, from professional and committed to Attention Deficit Disorder. Some artists perhaps leave a good hardworking gallery for the wrong reasons (greed, usually), but others will stay with a deadbeat gallery for years out of a sense of loyalty. In that sense, Bambino is correct, it is like a marriage. Perhaps we all (artists and galleries alike) need some serious counseling.

In response to your last comment Bambino, there are galleries that do all the things you mention (advertise and promote the artist, go to art fairs, etc.), and I would say those are the good ones. But then there are galleries that think putting on a show just means printing some cards, hanging the work up on the wall and hoping something sells. If the artists want to do anything else to promote their careers they're on their own. In a case like that, the artist is doing the gallery's work for them, and still giving them a 50/50 split. And the gallery rent for that one month is probably less of a burden than the studio rent the artist paid for several years to produce the work.

6/19/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

I don't necessarily disagree about contracts, Dude. I believe they serve most artists better than many feel they do.

I know that they tend to freak younger artists out a bit though.

Not sure how to overcome that given our current business model.

And the gallery rent for that one month is probably less of a burden than the studio rent the artist paid for several years to produce the work.

Here's how to do the math on this. Take a gallery's full yearly rent, utilities, insurance, office supplies, payroll, advertising (for the entire gallery, raising its stature, not an individual exhibition), shipping, storage, refreshments, membership dues, legal fees, accounting fees, corporate taxes, etc. etc. etc. Then divide that by the number of exhibitions they have each year. That will give you a better sense of what each exhibition truly costs. Add on the invidiual advertising for each exhibition, and you'll be shocked at how expensive it is, I predict.

6/19/2006 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Roni Horn left Matthew Marks for Hauser & Wirth, London & Zurich.

JS

6/19/2006 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger Art Soldier said...

E: And did you read the article? It hardly sounds as if Hudson is pleased by Tom's decision.

DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE? The passages mentioning Friedman and Hudson:

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For months, the dealer had sensed that Mr. Friedman was restless but had hesitated to ask why.

"I decided to let Tom say it and not say it for him," the dealer explained soberly.

And there it was, in the e-mail: after 15 years at Feature Inc., Mr. Friedman wanted "to try things on my own for a while."

Despite his premonitions, Hudson was startled.
But "I completely understood," he said, "and was immediately, like, go for it."

...

Mr. Friedman said that as grateful as he was to Hudson, he had begun to chafe at the constraints of Feature Inc.

"It was kind of growing inside me, but it hit me fairly quickly, that I needed something new," he said. "There were issues of where I felt I wanted my work to go. Hudson's space wasn't amenable to that." (Feature Inc. has a quirky configuration and at about 2,500 square feet, is relatively snug.)

Mr. Friedman said he also felt limited because "Hudson is not a gallerist who goes out and makes deals and travels."

Hudson, speaking by phone from his gallery, said he generally agreed. "I don't court museums and I don't court collectors," he said. "I don't solicit anyone. They come to me."

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Looks like there's not a single suggestion that Hudson felt slighted, nor any suggestion that Friedman was being disloyal (except for the sad-puppy-dog-face-mugshot of Hudson on the first page). Instead, it sounds like Hudson actually encouraged him to go for it.

E: Loyalty is not an issue of being required to stay. It's an issue of doing so out of respect and a sense of shared purpose...or a sense of owing each other something.

So, according to your definition of loyalty, when is it ok for an artist to leave a gallery and still be loyal? Only when the dealer agrees that the artist has been sufficiently loyal? When is this imaginary time period over? When has an artist sufficiently paid their dues to the dealer? Conversely, must a dealer then, in order to be adequately loyal, get the permission of the artist before dropping them from their stable?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "respect and a shared sense of purpose," but I still think that the real stench coming from these actions is GREED not disloyalty. For every story about an artist jumping ship for more money, there's a story of an established artist being dropped from their gallery because their new work is a less saleable departure from their "signature style" -- and yes, I have some examples, although I'm definitely not going to name names.

While both are motivated by GREED, and equally disgusting, it's only surprising if one confuses the dealer/artist business relationship as anything other than "for the money" -- that is, most dealers may love art, and love the art that they show, but when push comes to shove, the bottom line rules. Many artists have adopted the same attitude, and have allowed financial greed to trump their "art interests" -- it's disappointing for sure, but not surprising given the circumstance of the market.

6/19/2006 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous I love the eighties said...

Ed,
As per the Tom Friedman case. I think loyalty has nothing to do with this particular situation. There comes a point when, and we should wish this on all artists, their career's needs begin to eclipse their galleries capabilities. Honestly, Friedman was long overdue to move onto a larger operation. Anybody who says differently is in denial up to their ears. He stayed loyal to Hudson for 15 years and that was already a handful too many in my opinion.

Artists must grow. And the artworld has to support this growth. The tone of the times article as well as that of your blog, subtly, indicted artists who are moving up in the chain. Ed, you seem to only support the move if the artist is "unhappy" but he/she must try to fix things first before leaving. I think that is a dangerously idealised position to take. Just as galleries must make hard decisions in order to grow and expand (and no one should begrudge galleries that) so must artists. They need operations that can best offer them the adequate support system to deal with their expanding carreers. Again that has nothing to do with loyalty. Of course there are right ways and wrong ways of doing things. And naturally faxes, fed'ex's and txt's are not the way to end any kind of partnership, buisness or love. But the artworld cannot judge and critisize artists who need to grow and move on. And it's frankly a little creepy when artists are scapegoated as the "bad ones" and little rich girls like boesky and rosen are heaped piles of sympathy for theirs losses. I mean seriously, cry me a river.

Too boot both Boesky and Rosen both made killings off their respective artists before they moved on. So instead of judging the length of a relationship, rather one should be more concerned with the quality of it while it lasted.
And no one can dissagree that Lisa, John and Tom all gave their galleries a great run for their money.

6/19/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Dude where's my contract? said...

I don't necessarily disagree about contracts, Dude. I believe they serve most artists better than many feel they do.
I know that they tend to freak younger artists out a bit though.
Not sure how to overcome that given our current business model.


Are you implying that I am old? I prefer to remain in blissful denial about my age.

I still think the current business model is a result of galleries trying to trim the fat in the 90s and survive in a desperate situation. Of course artists had to follow the lead of the galleries as the practice of doing contracts became less popular. The power dynamic between artist and gallery is unequal and the galleries usually determine the terms of business. This may only be true "up to a point". But think about it. The artists who "make it" and can call the shots comprise probably less then 1% of artists in NYC. All other artists are at the mercy of this imbalanced power dynamic.

Most artists I know wouldn't mind a fair contract, but maybe I'm hanging out with artists that care about things like loyalty and integrity too.

BTW
Not every dealer is as loyal or worthy of loyalty as you Ed.
No irony meant to be implied what so ever. I've only heard good thing about you. ;)

6/19/2006 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Art Soldier,

Try it again with the following highlights:

And there it was, in the e-mail: after 15 years at Feature Inc., Mr. Friedman wanted "to try things on my own for a while."

Despite his premonitions, Hudson was startled.


Of course, by "on my own" we now know Friedman mean "over at Gagosian." Just because Hudson responded professionally does not mean he was even remotely pleased about the decision.

Looks like there's not a single suggestion that Hudson felt slighted

I'm literally shocked you read it that way. You're projecting a rather surprising degree of selflessness upon him, here, IMO. From what I can tell, he has no choice in the matter. So he responds as professionaly as possible. For you to translate that as not feeling slighted suggests you've never been on Hudson's end of such actions. It ludicrous to suggest this is not a major disappointment for him.

So, according to your definition of loyalty, when is it ok for an artist to leave a gallery and still be loyal?

I think it's best if we both put our respective definitions of loyalty on the table, because I can't understand what yours could possibly mean in this context. It seems to imply that it's a fait comlete that an artist will naturally one day move on to a bigger gallery. Perhaps your definition will clear this up for me.

6/19/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The artists who "make it" and can call the shots comprise probably less then 1% of artists in NYC. All other artists are at the mercy of this imbalanced power dynamic.

I agree, and that's just talking about the artists who even have representation. The obnoxious attitudes that artists have to put up with trying to get galleries to even look at their work are really offensive. If galleries treated artists with more respect, and not just their cash cows but all artists, they might get more sympathy from them when they in turn are mistreated.

6/19/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous bambino said...

I am getting old :) and I am learning more and more everyday
I love my age (thank god to my surgery doctor :P )

6/19/2006 02:16:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

There comes a point when, and we should wish this on all artists, their career's needs begin to eclipse their galleries capabilities. Honestly, Friedman was long overdue to move onto a larger operation.

That may be true. But he owed Hudson a more respectful exit than he made. The fact that Hudson was "startled" by the email suggests he did nothing even close to that.

I understand the distinction folks are making here between the right time to leave and being outright disloyal. In Friedman's case it looks as if he sincerely felt he needed a larger gallery. That's fine. But it's still disloyal not to be totally up front with the dealer who helped you up to that point, IMO. Suggesting he wanted to go out on his own, when he really meant take Larry up on his offer, truly annoys me.

6/19/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

The obnoxious attitudes that artists have to put up with trying to get galleries to even look at their work are really offensive. If galleries treated artists with more respect, and not just their cash cows but all artists, they might get more sympathy from them when they in turn are mistreated.

Yikes!

I have plenty of friends who are struggling to get into galleries, so I know it's tough and dealers often seem insulting, but until you've had someone interrupt a meeting by demanding you look at their slides now or ring you at home after 10:30 or send you real artwork and then demand you go to the post office to return it to them or (I could go on for hours), you may never understand why dealers must develop mechanisms of distance. This, however, is no different from any other profession, so for artists to take it so personally as to suggest dealers aren't worthy of sympathy is more than a bit surprising.

I would suggest you might find a more happy path outside the gallery system. Honestly. God help the poor dealer who brings that degree of bitterness into the program.

6/19/2006 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Dude, where's my contract? said...

Hey i love the eighties.

I do too. But maybe for different reasons then you.

I have to agree with your sentiment concerning Boesky and Rosen, and your comments about judging the quality of a relationship while it lasts sounds very grown-up and well adjusted. Are you single? But I'm not sure about the assumptions underlining "Artists must grow. And the artworld has to support this growth." Somehow I chaff at the idea that there is this one tract movement towards success and maturity as an artist. This whole business of moving up the chain is a blatant Darwinian metaphor and it represents a lot of what is wrong with the art world. What does an artist get out of this? Wealth, fame, a place in history? As far as I'm concerned the only important thing they might get would be a relatively comfortable life and the chance to keep making art (really not such a tall order). Getting a place in history is a crap shoot anyway. Who knows what happens after your dead? Fame is fleeting and what good is it when you're dead? The artist lives that are most interesting and seem the most fulfilling from my point of view never seem to follow the most prevalent cliches of success.

6/19/2006 02:43:00 PM  
Blogger This Broad said...

Ed, would you apply the same standard of loyalty to galleries as to artists?

I.e., if a gallery is not sure they want to continue working with an artist, loyalty would dictate that the gallery should speak to the artist first and give the artist an opportunity to address the gallery's concerns (and, I guess, start making better work?)

It seems ludicrous when it's spelled out like that. A gallery needs to be free to decide for itself that it no longer wishes to work with a certain artist if his or her work doesn't fit where the gallery wants to go (or if she occasionally posts annoying questions on the gallerist's blog--uh, oops!).

While it is technically "disloyal" for a gallery to terminate a relationship with any artist it has represented who has acted in good faith, I don't think it's unethical if handled professionally and respectfully. The gallery has to act in the best interest of its overall program.

And if galleries obviously need this freedom, it logical and fair that the artists should have the same freedom to move on if he or she thinks another gallery is a better fit.

Ideally, pure greed would not be the motivating factor for either party's decisions. That usually makes for bad karma and bad art.

6/19/2006 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a few comments:

I don't think currin's stature has been raised by defecting to gagosian. in fact he already had a huge solo show at the whitney, which as someone earlier alluded to, was andrea rosen's doing. what more can an artist want? she has a sterling reputation vis a vis her artists...a la castelli. One of the good ones. If I were in his shoes I wouldn't have left.

on a much smaller scale however, it is often the case that an artist showing at a 2nd or 3rd tier gallery is way outselling (and getting more press) than any of their stable-mates, and sometimes the artist is the one who makes many of those sales happen. In that case it's a no-brainer to move on.

however I am in agreement with Ed about how much it costs to put on each show. It's mind boggling and frankly I can't understand how so many contemporary galleries can keep their doors open at all.

6/19/2006 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know mariane boesky is ivan's daughter, but andrea rosen a "little rich girl" too? anyone know this for a fact?

6/19/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know mariane boesky is ivan's daughter

Wow, I never made the connection. Since we're talking about greed, here's a slice of the Wikipedia entry on Ivan:
Boesky gave an infamous speech on the positive aspects of greed at the University of California, Berkeley in 1986 (where he said in part "I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself") which inspired the key speech by Gordon Gekko in the 1987 movie Wall Street.

6/19/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so are we to infer that this broad shows at plus ultra?

6/19/2006 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so are we to infer that this broad shows at plus ultra?

That's a silly question to post. Do your homework...

6/19/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Anonymous bambino said...

I agree

6/19/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Ed, would you apply the same standard of loyalty to galleries as to artists?

I.e., if a gallery is not sure they want to continue working with an artist, loyalty would dictate that the gallery should speak to the artist first and give the artist an opportunity to address the gallery's concerns (and, I guess, start making better work?)

It seems ludicrous when it's spelled out like that.


I don't think it is ludicrous though, TB. I think that's exactly how it should work. I haven't followed the model to the letter every time, but I do think that if a gallery concludes that the current body of work an artist has for an exhibition is not quite right (possibly because the gallery evolved one direction while the artist evolved another), the gallerist owes it to the artist to discuss that and listen carefully as the artist responds. Again, this is the ideal I strive for, not a description of all previous such instances.

The bottom line here is that often galleries or artists only think a problem or limitation is insurmountable. Loyalty and just common decency demand some respectful discussion before a split is put into action, IMO. (And yes, there are a few artists out there right now cursing me as a lying scumbag...to them, I offer my sincere apologies.)

6/19/2006 03:32:00 PM  
Blogger Art Soldier said...

apply the same standard of loyalty to galleries as to artists ... if a gallery is not sure they want to continue working with an artist, loyalty would dictate that the gallery should speak to the artist first and give the artist an opportunity to address the gallery's concerns (and, I guess, start making better work?)

Exactly. Cheers to J.D. for risking her career. ;]

Be nice E.W., you know she's right! Not that I'm not disgusted by the article; I am, but for different rea$on$. We all know the real reason why so many artists are jumping to L. Gago$ian or D. $wirner, and no amount of "respectful discussion" is going to change that.

6/19/2006 03:40:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

Be nice E.W., you know she's right!

I've admitted as much, Art Soldier, and agreed that it's parallel. My response above suggests no one is risking anything here...quite the contrary, we can and should discuss matters like this openly and honestly whenever they arise.

We all know the real reason why so many artists are jumping to L. Gago$ian or D. $wirner, and no amount of "respectful discussion" is going to change that.

so you agree, then...it's disloyal.

6/19/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Blogger This Broad said...

Ed, your answer is amazing. You rule.

(and thanks for watching my back, Art soldier!)

6/19/2006 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't put Gagosian and Zwirner in the same league...

Gagosian is a poacher who never does anything to develop an artist's career. His gallery is frankly kind of cheesy.

Zwirner, on the other hand is has (mostly) great artists, many of whom he has represented since the start of their careers.

6/19/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

edward said..."(And yes, there are a few artists out there right now cursing me as a lying scumbag...to them, I offer my sincere apologies.)"

is a sincere apology enough to excuse your bad behavior? If the Times wrote an article for every gallerist who screwed an artist, there would be volumes...

6/19/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Art Soldier said...

so you agree, then...it's disloyal.

Dammit E.W., you're playing awfully dirty today (this is about the third time you've put words in my mouth). I was disagreeing with your assertion that "the bottom line here is that often galleries or artists only think a problem or limitation is insurmountable," not suggesting that artists who change galleries are breaking some unspoken moral code.

The bottom line is this: you're disgusted because you think a few wealthy, famous gallerists are getting screwed over by a few wealthy, famous artists; I'm disgusted by the motivation$ of the arti$t$ involved -- a far more cancerous problem in the art system. I'm not nearly as concerned with the welfare of a couple of celebrity art-dealers.

6/19/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is a sincere apology enough to excuse your bad behavior? If the Times wrote an article for every gallerist who screwed an artist, there would be volumes...

Cheers to Ed for posting on this subject. He's opened himself up to criticism and you've leapt for it. That kind of negativity is always easier to pursue anonymously. I would like to add a little positivity anonymously.

6/19/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous same anonymous said...

...and what's wrong with admitting that one has bad a mistake...

6/19/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger This Broad said...

Anonymous 1, I think Ed deserves a bit more credit than that. Very few people are willing to admit past mistakes publicly, and equally publicly aspire to do better in the future! That's pretty special.

6/19/2006 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Times wrote an article for every gallerist who screwed an artist, there would be volumes...

I usually just wait for the book to come out in paperback. :)

I consider Ed to be one of the good guys. At least he's willing to discuss this stuff. Everyone makes some mistakes, but there are people on both sides of the fence (both artists and gallerists) who build whole careers on bad behavior. And it's usually fun to read about...

6/19/2006 04:28:00 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

I respect Hudson having such strong boundaries. I thought he handled it with grace and understanding. The email may have been the best way to handle it for Friedman, it lets Hudson get his thinking together before responding and doesn't put him in an ugly spot.

it occured to me instantly that Hudson now has a big hole to fill. Anyone know his number?

6/19/2006 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous bambino said...

Be nice to E.W
:)
or you'll face to me
and you dont wanna do it :P


I like the topic, and thanks for the post Ed

6/19/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

is a sincere apology enough to excuse your bad behavior? If the Times wrote an article for every gallerist who screwed an artist, there would be volumes...

Well, considering you have little information about my actions and thus must merely assume you would describe them as "bad behavior" (perhaps I simply have an overdeveloped sense of obligation), I'll pass on considering whether that's "enough" in this public forum. I'm simply trying to acknowledge that none of this is as simple in practice as it is in theory. I actually thought folks would come to the rescue of the defecting artists under that umbrella more than we've seen.

Dammit E.W., you're playing awfully dirty today (this is about the third time you've put words in my mouth).

You're just so much fun to tease, though, Art Soldier...my bad.

6/19/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

The email may have been the best way to handle it for Friedman

That's perhaps understandable, but hardly admirable.

6/19/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Blogger Art Soldier said...

You're just so much fun to tease, though, Art Soldier

Aw, shucks.

Seriously though, I hope you'll consider the second part of my last comment. The fact that you've made such a sustained, sympathetic argument in defense of some of the world's most powerful, wealthiest art-dealers (Rosen, Luhrig, Boesky, etc.) sounds a little odd for you, and is probably why this thread has provoked so much response.

6/19/2006 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The email may have been the best way to handle it for Friedman

That's perhaps understandable, but hardly admirable."



same with posting apologies on blogs

6/19/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Dude, where's my contract? said...

same with posting apologies on blogs

Oh, come on. That's just petty.

6/19/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually thought folks would come to the rescue of the defecting artists under that umbrella more than we've seen.

Most of your readers probably can relate more to the non-star artists and their situations than to the ones who are making big bucks. I mean we might not take any pleasure in the fact that Tom dumped Nicole or that Brad dumped whats-her-name, but it's hard to care too much about it either. Rich people doing bad things to other rich people. What is there to say?

Yet another anonymous commenter...

6/19/2006 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question art soldier:
What are you going to do with all your money when your famou$ and your painting$ go for a million?

6/19/2006 05:03:00 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

How would you suggest Friedman handle it? (that is a serious question, not a snarky snappy reply) Would it be better for him to show up in person and put Hudson in a bad spot, embarassed, flummoxed, confused?

He let Hudson absorb the information in private and get his thinking together before responding. Hudson quickly saw that Friedman was correct and that Feature was holding him back. I think he allowed that Friedman might remain a feather in his cap rather than a bad taste in his mouth.

Perhaps a hand written note would be more appropriate, but we all do business by email now. In fact, an email is a binding contract if it contains such passages.

6/19/2006 05:11:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

How would you suggest Friedman handle it?

I would suggest a lunch date actually. Neutral ground, where neither party has an advantage, and a public place so tempers and emotions, if they're likely to flare, are kept in check.

First of all, requesting such a meeting is a very clear indication to the dealer that you're unhappy. The tone of the request will tell them to prepare themselves, so they won't be surprised. They may still be upset, but at least the artist will have gone to very respectful lengths to communicate that they understand how this will hurt the dealer.

And I don't mean this snarkily, but I do mean it to ring sharply: this is common sense, really, isn't it? I mean, anything short suggests we're not talking about two adults here.

6/19/2006 05:17:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

Whew, the gobs of money are creating so much foam, can't see the horizon any more. Where is that brass ring?

For all the artists who aren't just itching to jump ship and stowaway on a luxury liner gallery, I would suggest that some of todays younger galleries might just end up at the top pier. Gagosian has been running a gallery for close to thirty years, it was a long trip. The same can be said for some of the others.

I tend to agree with Art Soldier that greed is a big factor here, along with inflating egos. My hunch is that "loyalty' is maybe skin deep. Loyalty is there if an artist and a gallerist have similar expectations. If these expectations go astray, one side or the other may have second thoughts. Money is a distorting factor at the moment, it is giving the appearance of success to those who don't care about what happens "after they are dead. Says a lot about the art.

It's often hard to have an amicable divorce, but politeness and respect goes a long way.

6/19/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

The fact that you've made such a sustained, sympathetic argument in defense of some of the world's most powerful, wealthiest art-dealers (Rosen, Luhrig, Boesky, etc.) sounds a little odd for you, and is probably why this thread has provoked so much response.

I've been accused of sounding odd for me when making sustained sympathetic defense of rich collectors as well, though, Art Soldier. I'm not sure why success/wealth opens one up to more borish behavior than the opposite does. Even the gallerists in question have dreams and goals, they've worked hard to get where they've gotten, and such set-backs represent real pain for them. Why is it so hard for some folks to empathize with them?

6/19/2006 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous on my way out the door said...

Okay, so I'm announcing here that I'm in the process of leaving my gallery. I'm talking with some other interested parties, and hope to be making a decision soon. And I promise to tell my current gallery face to face when the time comes, and in the nicest possible way.

So am I doing this because they've done wonders for my career and I'm ungrateful? No, quite the opposite. It's like pulling teeth getting them to do anything, including simple things like returning phone calls, showing up for meetings we've both scheduled, or even remembering things we've discussed from one week to the next. Most of the sales they've made have been to clients I've sent them, and even some of those they've screwed up. It's like dealing with children. I'm leaving because I expect my gallery to be as serious about this business as I am.

So Edward, I need your advice on this. If I follow your good suggestion and set up a lunch date, should I pick up the tab, or is it dutch?

6/19/2006 05:26:00 PM  
Blogger George said...

Edward, regarding "lunch"

I agree this is a good method for the reasons you stated. I had a similar corporate experience once. I had a consulting contract which was a year past the agreemed end date. When I was asked to "lunch", I knew it wasn't just a friendly gesture but that the company had decided to wrap it up. No surprises, all very friendly and takes as intended.

6/19/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

So Edward, I need your advice on this. If I follow your good suggestion and set up a lunch date, should I pick up the tab, or is it dutch?

Dutch. The akwardness of one or the other party paying is a lousy end to such a meeting.

Good luck with the meeting and KUDOS to you for handling it like a professional!

6/19/2006 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger fisher6000 said...

I am a little confused about why Edward is getting such a heaping dose of scrutiny. I mean speak of common sense...

...hasn't anyone else here had to work with someone who can't handle an adult situation? Someone who is maybe a delightful human being, but who shouldn't be plopped into a lunch meeting for any of a variety of reasons?

You do your best to behave with integrity... and hopefully have the common courtesy not to force your integrity on people who don't want it or can't have it. For Edward to state that not every artist breakup goes well is not evidence of his basically horrid state. It might be evidence of his graciousness.

6/19/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

evidence of his graciousness

Yes, and here's to Edward for another stimulating thread to brighten up the day! I almost forgot it was Monday! Thanks Edward. :)

6/19/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

The lunch date suggestion seems as impersonal as an email. It is putting the receiver of bad news in a very compromised position, as though you were trying to avoid a confrontation at the expense of their comfort.

When it comes to specific situations, people, generalized rules should make way to personalitiies. Isn't that what you were saying? (between the lines) Otherwise what does it mean to say the gallery is like a family.

By the way, I would never do the email thing. I would probably ask for a private meeting and agonize for days about it. (as if . . .)

6/19/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Blogger Edward_ said...

The lunch date suggestion seems as impersonal as an email. It is putting the receiver of bad news in a very compromised position, as though you were trying to avoid a confrontation at the expense of their comfort.

Impersonal? Lunch? Are you just arguing to argue now, Tim?

I'm sure there's no one-size fits all method. But if you ask for my opinion, and someone did, that's what I recommend. It has the advantage of neutral location, advance warning, and public-appropriate behavior. You lose that in a private meeting, but perhaps that's better for some situations.
Again...the point is to demonstrate respect...nothing does that as much as putting yourself out there in person, IMO.

6/19/2006 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

The lunch date suggestion seems as impersonal as an email. It is putting the receiver of bad news in a very compromised position, as though you were trying to avoid a confrontation at the expense of their comfort.

Tim, those sorts of customs tend to be regional. Edward's advice is probably based on what is considered proper in New York. Out here it might be better to just say "let's go for a drive." There's nothing impersonal about being stuck in traffic together.

6/19/2006 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous William said...

Ed,

It is very different in practice than in theory.

I've had the interesting position of simultaneously leaving a gallery as it takes off, and watching it dump artists it showed for years in favor of developing a sustainable business model. Everyone involved has been affected by the changes, and the reality of it is complex and sensitive.

I can't speak for major artists, but I had to weigh visibility and growth against a long-standing relationship for other long standing-relationships, as you know. I made my decision after speaking with other artists and dealers who were able to give me some perspective on the loyalty question. I feel that once you establish a relationship with a gallery, your not just working together, but entrusting a part of your life. It's about more than just an agreement. Ideally, it's a symbiotic relationship where artist and dealer grow together financially and critically. Sometimes an artist provides more of one than the other, but both can be necessary to health of a gallery’s program.

As an artist, I feel no misgivings about the 50-50 split when I feel like the gallery is actually working to support me, and my shows aren't an afterthought. People who don't realize what an investment showing emerging art is probably don't understand what I'm talking about. That's where I feel the guilt about switching galleries. Did I give the gallery a fair shot at cashing in on me after supporting two solo shows? Or, did they miss their chance when the same work sold elsewhere? Was it a question of location and professionalism? I don't have easy answers but it happened twice, and I just couldn't justify doing a third solo show.

So, anyway, for all you folks out there who are thinking about $elling out, it's a shitty decision to have to make, but if you actually have a relationship with the dealer it doesn't automatically end. Sometimes, if you are lucky, they will take some credit for helping you grow as an artist and find some solace in that. Well, that and having a couple of brand new artists blow up $$immediately$$ makes it easier to lose a punk like me to the girls next door.

Too bad galleries aren’t handing out fat advances though, so I could quit my day job and make everyone rich. Come on girls, where’s my stipend and loft? We have to make this happen. I need to be able to buy my way out this lower-middle class hell. I’m suffocating under all this moral outrage. You are all so very responsible.

I think someone asked Art Soldier what he’d do if he got his millions, and I know my answer there. Quit job. Get bigger studio. Work on destroying the art world full-time with minions. The playing field is not level.

Ed's incredibly decent about all of this. He works full-time, runs the gallery, and writes these compelling blog entries almost everyday. There is so much guilt about making money off art, but it takes money to have the time and resources to compete. Wouldn’t it be nice to afford a full-color Artforum Ad in the front of the magazine? Say what you will about the text inside, but those ads. Making art and selling it to rich people while getting it into critically respected institutions requires $ales or fat trust fund whether you’re an artist or a dealer. To say nothing of talent and luck.

6/19/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

"Impersonal? Lunch? Are you just arguing to argue now, Tim? "

no. I am talking about my own problems.

Nice to have you active again, Ed. We missed your voice here in the comments.

6/19/2006 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger Daniel Cooney said...

Wonerfully said

6/19/2006 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Some replies:


Edward said:
>>>Most emerging galleries assume they're investing in young artists who will stay with them once their >>>prices rise. More than that, they form relationships very akin to familial relationships. Which is why it's painful >>>when that ends.


Hmm...ok, I must say I don't really buy into the whole "I love you artist, you're my son" attitude when the gallerist is not able to make their gallery look more than a cold refrigerator for their audience. You don't just compartiment humanism like this. I am surprised that artists sign with galleries like they never spent a day in Chelsea. For one, as a potential artist, the first thing that would count for me is how the exhibit space looks and how the audience is treated. Maybe I'm the only one left who care about these issues, but I will often ask questions in a gallery for the fun of knowing how I will be answered. The audience doesn't
count, in Chelsea. We're annoyances. It's a joke. I got a pretty good idea by now of the "good galleries", the ones where I would deal with if I was a big art star.


Never mind how sympathetic or brilliant your gallerist is, I believe the gallery itself should talk about what's in there for you.


But in the end I still think the best is to not really sign with anyone so that you never come up with these situations.
Once you developed a reputation strong enough, you ring door to door to gallerists and say
"hey..can i exhibit at your space? 50 50 ? 60 50 ? deal?", and that deal pertains to the work presented in the show.
You sort of reverse how Gagosian is stealing other people's artists. You play Gagosian's game.
And how do you develop a reputation? Well... meet the curators, you dont need a gallerist to do that for you. More
importantly: make good art.

I visit every galleries. I wouldn't want to be embarassed visiting one because of personal innuendos. I critic general patterns in Chelsea but I get away with it because it's easy to consider me out of the loop.
I happen to enjoy it being the case.



>>>If galleries operate as primadona opportunists, why are they suprised when their artists do the same?
>>>Until you provide relevant examples of this, I'll consider that a throw-away line not worthy of response.


Well, case I have lived: you are at a gallery, and someone that was speaking to you stops suddenly and run to talk to a great collector entering.

Actually that collector went to visit 4 shows in a row with me.
All the gallerists were running at her. It was funny to observe
how things work. Every time you enter a gallery everyone act like
they are very busy, but then everyone stops to breathe and put on their best smile if the right person enters. And the collector know they have this power (of course none of these shows were featuring landmark artists of the kind that their works are never available).


Gallery directors or sale representatives are most of the time just doing their job, but
that job certainly includes a sense of opportunism.

Being all jumpy because one of your artist enters the gallery but being in a bad mood for all other people all day is clearly a sign to me that a gallery is opportunistic. But of course not all galleries are like that.
Maybe some gallerists are great but unaware that they just hired the wrong gallerina. At Marian Goodman there was a guy always in a bad mood. I haven't seen him since a while. Hopefully he's been fired. You don't tolerate people like that. It destroys the mood for every other employees
anyway. And they are some nice employees at Marian Goodman.




>>>>Not sure how else to define >>>that but as disloyalty.


Actually the way I see it is that this topis is about big evil galleries. Right? Those ones that offer better deals to your artists.

So what is the list of the big evil galleries ?


Gagosian?
Hauser And Wirth?
David Zwirner? (really?..)
Jeffrey Deitch?
Pace Wildenstein?
Saatchi? (if you consider him gallerist)

Who else?


There must be a list of less than 10 BIG EVIL GALLERISTS
in the world.

So we should make that list strict clear and say:

ART COMMUNITY: BEWARE !!!(???)

Actually, it happens that Deitch is one of the gallery
where I would dream to show because they've got the
right atmosphere and attitude.
Pretty relaxed (when ther's not a party around).


Ed:
>>>or a sense of owing each other >>>something.


You do make it sound like it's not possible for an artist to succeed without a good gallerist.
But I would imagine, because I had fantasies about starting a gallery, that the gallery is quite dependant on whoever wants to show there.


>>>>Times report suggests Hudson was upset.

He sounds very humble and honest. He agrees that he is not running after collectors. By the way this is one of the "staff-nice" galleries.


David:
>>>>.....it's >>>> important to realize that we're not talking about an equal realtionship here either,


Great post !!

And gagosian artists are now dependant on the fact the roaster is now so huge that it will take times before they are able to have a proper show, and for us to be able to see works by our favorite artist.

Hence why McCarthy should not have dropped Luhring but share the best of both gallerists.

When will we get a new McCarthy exhibit, now? They are like 50 others to pass on. And no Hauser in New York. Do artists really only care about money? No one is actually worried of having a goddamn show?




Edward:
>>>>>I find the idea that any gallery is merely a launch pad very offensive.


Make your gallery irreprochable and artists will likely feel like staying. But that means: having great space, publishing catalogs, making lots of museum deals. It's very hard to attain that degree of quality. (Tanya Bonakdar did a right move by doubling their space).


As a gallerist you are also an artist: if you can realize the ultimate gallery, chances are you will feel so good about it than once an artist drops you will think: "gosh...who cares...
they don't know what they're missing". And probably many artists will want to show there too.


I think the big mistake in Chelsea is, I repeat, many galleries seem
too self-sufficiant, and no effort is made to really matter and make a difference.

Now people are realizing that there is such a thing as
concurrency. Well, yes, hello !!
Wake up!


Zwirner's space is boring but they
publish a lot of catalogs and have
an irreprochable website and many
contacts with European gallerists.
Does Zwirner cries if an artist leave him? I doubt it.

Instead of focussing on developing personal relationships with artists (go figure),
a gallerist should focus on developing that type
of services where it becomes irrelevant
if the artist stays or not, because the
service is that good.

How can Gagosian be loyal himself?
He has too many artists to be.
He shows what he wants and when he wants but everyone sucks for it because the service is there. The work sells high. The
catalogs are classy (even snubbish). The space is grand.

You know, artists cry because Saatchi won't show them anymore.
That was supposed to be the top, wasn't it?

You had your 15 minutes, baby. Now go away and hide.



>>>> Galleries wanted to have the freedom to take on or drop artists as they saw fit.


Thanks dude for that insider history. Galleries want their best artists to stay
but the bad artist is not protected. Which is like assuming that the gallery itself
is always good. How can it be bad?
If it looks and acts just like every other galleries in Chelsea:
it MUST be good.



>> Not every dealer is as loyal or worthy of loyalty as you Ed.


None of them blogs either. ;-)



>>>> the artist is doing the >>>>gallery's work for them


Actually, if artists would take the time, like a couple days each 6 months, to develop their website with images and their cvs, they would be doing a lot
that wouldn't need be done by a gallerist. And I'm talking of gallerist who do.


Some gallerist think they need to protect artists by showing the least images possible which I think is dumb.

Once the art is sold, it's sold. You still want people to know and see the artist's art.





>>>> Add on the >>>>invidiual advertising for each exhibition, and you'll be shocked at how expensive it is, I predict.


Well how much?


Maybe afterall artists should pay that price themselves and exhibit only when they think they can sell.. lol.




>>>>Roni Horn left Matthew Marks for Hauser & Wirth, London & Zurich.



Why always Hauser, dammit? It's so ..errr..eurocentrist. (lol)



>>>> Ed, you seem to only support the move if the artist is >>>>"unhappy" but he/she must try to fix things first before leaving.


Ed, as much as you are worried signing unloyal artists, artists will feel the danger of being trapped if they sign with you. It's how love relationships are never true unless you totally let people be the butterflies they want to be.


And talking of love...NO ONE is ever your lover or family except your lover and family.

Mary Boesky projected feelings unto an artist that perhaps were bereft from professionalism.
You need to keep a distance.


I say: Contracts, contracts, contracts.




I forgot who wrote this:
>>>>>>But the artworld cannot judge and critisize artists who need to grow and move on.


You can criticize the place where they moved though, and if it was really worth it.





>>>The obnoxious attitudes that artists have to put up with trying to get galleries to even look at their work are really
>>>>offensive.


Wow, you're already there ?? I am still surprised sometimes about how the audience is treated.
How a young student wanting to have info is treated.




Edward:
>>>That may be true. But he owed Hudson a more respectful exit than he made. The fact that Hudson was "startled" by >>>>the email suggests he did nothing even close to that.


Actually the way I read it is that Friedman felt REALLY GUILTY about departing, and send an email
after months of struggling. Like it was the only way for him to come to grip and say it.

I can relate to that (as i mentioned in an earlier reply).

So sometimes the way it's done doesn't mean that no feelings is involved. Email suits Friedman anyway. That's the type of art he does: emailish.





>>>>when he really meant take Larry up >>>>on his offer


Well again. by now every gallerist should know that going up "on your own" means signing with one of the 7 BIG EVIL GALLERISTS. That should be a given.

Hudson should have answered:

"Ok, which one..WHICH ONE??? GRRR...Tell me which one is it so I can go kick their ass!!!"


GAGOSIAN YOU PEST !!

There...someone had to said loudly
what Hudson thinks.





Edward:
>>>>I would suggest you might find a more happy path outside the gallery system.


That means you would refuse an artist because they have a bad attitude.

This business should be about art, not attitudes.

If you fall in love with a piece in a curated show, and you meet the artist,
chances are it's the same artist that would whine because you didn't
want to look at their slides. So really it's the big emotional thing between
artist and gallerist that should be levelled down.

Let artists whine. We'll take your whine. I mean....Just bring the good art.




Dude said.
>>>>What does an artist get out of this? Wealth, fame, a place >>>>in history?


You get a big 3 month show at Gagosian while 50 other artists-stars are waiting.

So it means most of the times you get to actually.... never show your art anymore. Lol.



>>>>I would suggest a lunch date actually.


Now that would make me sooo mad.

I would prefer be invited at night on a promenade in a secret place.

The email is not that bad cos I enjoy not giving the other the opportunity
to see how much it hurts me.





>>>>Loyalty is there if an artist and a gallerist have similar expectations.


Some artists's art is killed by gallerists who keep telling them they like it.

I think the monogamish relation is more healthy for the gallerist (and sometimes the artist)
than for ART ITSELF. You need some perspective when you create art.

The gallerist owning that space opposed to where you shows may have some
good reasons to think your art suck.






>>>>Why is it so hard for some folks to empathize with them?


Because gallerists make the most money at the death of the artist.

Because artists don't make much money in auctions.

Because artists even when they want to be rich are always the total loosers in the game
(they always get the lowest rate of what their art will value later).

Because artists are poor when the best ones put all their money into their art.

Because even when artists leave for Gagosian they won't have as many
shows, what I find more pitiful than anything.

I don't know...I can see how it's hard for a gallery to sustain all of their roaster but,
I don't see how it's "big work" to promote one single artist if he is really that great.
I think curators and journalists are doing a heck of a job to promote an artist's career.

I don't see why we should move beyond business in these terms.

Why not try steal back an artist from Gagosian?
Did that ever happened? Is that impossible?

Unless as an artist you're the bf of your gallerist,
I don't see why art shouldn't be treated as with any
business. As unlawful as it is.


Cheers,

Cedric Caspesyan
centiment@hotmail.com

6/19/2006 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a bunch of bull. I daresay if you (you know who you are) were offered a show by one of the "10 Evil Galleries", suddenly there would be only 9.

6/20/2006 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

I did say I'd exhibit at Deitch though, and explained my reason.

Ced

I would not sign an exclusive deal with gago ever. Mark my words.

6/20/2006 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Larry said...

Cedric, you'll be hearing from me.

6/20/2006 03:39:00 AM  
Anonymous little piggy said...

I'm told that collectors have become the main power in the current market. They buy from lower level galleries (or direct from grad students) and then pressure the upper level gallery they buy from to aquire the artist to boost the value of the purchase. Likewise their influence on critics and museums.

And I think Art Soldiers remarks about greed specious. What is the value of a work of art? What the market will bear. The artists may choose to move from ego, but they aren't responsible for the market pressures that create the opportunity, IMO

6/20/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Blogger John Morris said...

First, I have to say that i have not read all 81 of the comments so I may be making redundant points. I also have to say that i can only speak for my own limited experiences in the scene.

Here comes the gas can. I would say that for a lot of galleries, what comes around goes around! I would imagine that the roots of a lot of defections occured many years before. Loyalty of this kind has to be earned and I think it's often been one sided. Castelli didn't seem to have that problem because I think he gave his artists a level of security and stability early in thier careers. The artist's then remembered that and repaid that loyalty later.

I have a few questions for gallerists. If you truely believed you had a gret artist on your hands. Wouldn't you buy work outright? Sign a written contract to lock in your investment? Offer even the smallest stipend so the artist could push the work. I myself hold grudges. If my gallery didn't go to the wall for me at the begining of my career then they don't deserve to take the big cash later. the whole concept is about limiting the galleries risk and passing it to the artist, who can least afford it. That is what consignment is all about.

6/20/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Blogger Hungry Hyaena said...

Dear Lord, Edward! You certainly have a lot of opinionated folks reading (and commenting). I don't have as much blogosphere time these days - and it shows - and I'm unable to wade through all the comments, but it's nice to see so much dialogue.

6/20/2006 01:40:00 PM  
Blogger John Morris said...

This is sort of a direct question to Ed. Why don't you have your artist's sign some kind of contract. You seem like a great guy and worthy of hooking up with. Tell your artists that you love them so much ( depending on how much you love them ) and want to spell out the relationship. I think that there is a feeling that artists wouldn't sign something. I certainly would. It's what I always wanted in a gallery. Tell me that you love me and will be loyal to me and if I feel the same we will officially go steady or marry or whatever.

If I have a gallery tell me that it's ok if i keep "my options open" and that there would be no finacial hit taken for dumping the relationship-- I have to assume that they want to keep thier options open and are thinking of dumping me.

6/20/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Cedric Caspesyan said...

Mouhahaha, Larry. ;-)

6/21/2006 12:44:00 AM  

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