God or Me: One of Us Might Have to Go
I'm currently agnostic. There, I've said it. I've been such for a number of years, although in certain circles I'll discuss religion as if I still had solid faith there is a God. After all, I was raised in a WASPy family that attends a Pentecostal church and knows exactly how to phrase things such that they sound one way, even if they mean something else altogether. Not rocking the boat is like breathing in our family. We do it on autopilot. It costs me nothing...intellectually, anyway.
But I've known for some time that something has been missing. I've longed for some sort of spirituality. Should I explore Buddhism? Or Yoga? Or...nah...what seems to make most sense to me at the moment is to declare myself an athethist and see what happens.
Yes, given my position and passion, it seems natural that I should just turn to art for spirituality, but let's face it, looking for the spiritual in contemporary art is often like looking for a trenchcoat you like in your size at Century 21. Even if you find one, there's bound to be some imperfection in it that makes you shake your head and move on.
I thought about this on the train out to the quiet getaway we spent celebrating New Years this past weekend. I had printed out the introduction to Donald Kuspit's new book that artnet.com is publishing online, A Critical History of 20th Century Art. The very first paragraph gets to the heart of my conundrum:
What this seems to be suggesting is that you have one of two choices in finding some way to prevent your modern self-consciousness from driving you mad: accept Faith or find your unique identity. This may account more than market strategizing for the seemingly frantic urge among artists to develop a unique vocabulary, IMO. Kuspit notes:
So, ironically, I find myself believeing, sincerely, that perhaps the only way to regain any meaningful spirituality is to reject the existence of God (or at least the working definitions of God currently available to me) and start with a clean slate. Which brings me back to looking for some avenue to explore to find what "higher purpose" may be out there that makes sense to me. Which brings me back to wondering why I'm not finding that in contemporary art. Which leaves me chomping at the bit for the next installment of Kuspit's book...
to be continued...
But I've known for some time that something has been missing. I've longed for some sort of spirituality. Should I explore Buddhism? Or Yoga? Or...nah...what seems to make most sense to me at the moment is to declare myself an athethist and see what happens.
Yes, given my position and passion, it seems natural that I should just turn to art for spirituality, but let's face it, looking for the spiritual in contemporary art is often like looking for a trenchcoat you like in your size at Century 21. Even if you find one, there's bound to be some imperfection in it that makes you shake your head and move on.
I thought about this on the train out to the quiet getaway we spent celebrating New Years this past weekend. I had printed out the introduction to Donald Kuspit's new book that artnet.com is publishing online, A Critical History of 20th Century Art. The very first paragraph gets to the heart of my conundrum:
"The real problem of modernity is the problem of belief," writes Daniel Bell, the sociologist and political theorist. "To use an unfashionable term, it is a spiritual crisis, since the new anchorages have proved illusory and the old ones have become submerged. It is a situation which brings us back to nihilism; lacking a past or a future, there is only a void."(1) Modern art, in all its seemingless limitless variety, presents itself as one solution to the problem, indeed, as some think, the only important solution. As Bell says, it has become a "substitute for religion,"(2) a spiritual antidote to social poisons, the esthetic alternative to moral nihilism. This view is seconded by the historian Jacques Barzun, who, discussing "the rise of art as religion" in the 19th century -- initially the equation of art and religion, and finally the substitution of art for religion(3) -- remarks that "Art. . . became the gateway to the realm of spirit for all those over whom the old religions have lost their hold. Most romantic artists needed nothing higher. Art was sufficient and supreme."(4) The poet Wallace Stevens adds: "The paramount relation between poetry and painting today, between modern man and modern art, is simply this: that in an age in which disbelief is so profoundly prevalent or, if not disbelief, indifference to questions of belief, poetry and painting, and the arts in general, are, in their measure, a compensation for what has been lost."(5)But are they? Compensation, I mean. Do poetry and painting replace the sense of comfort faith in a higher purpose/being provided pre-Modern man? Later in the text, Kuspit offers this:
[A]vant-garde art is essentially critique -- a ceaseless whirlpool of destablizing criticism, directed toward itself as well as the world. It involves, as Barzun says, a "deepening and spreading self-consciousness by analysis and corrosion" that destroys what it analyzes, and finally the self that does the analysis.(63) It tells the truth about the modern self -- modern self-consciousness -- and the dynamic modern world, but it undermines the spirit of both in the process of doing so, no doubt because, as Bell and Barzun suggest, secular critique knows no higher truth. It leaves itself homeless, which is finally to lose its sense of purpose, although, as I have suggested, it can also lead, unpredictably, to a sense of unique identity, that is, ground a new sense of self, or at least suggest the possibility of being uniquely oneself -- a radical subject for all one’s participation in and engagement with the objective world. [emphasis mine]Kuspit's subject is a bit frustrating in that it is nearly impossible while discussing it not to bounce back and forth between the POV of the artist and the POV of the art viewer (assuming both that the artist is a product of his/her time AND a bellwether, but not easily differentiating when his point applies to how we view art and how it's made), but...
What this seems to be suggesting is that you have one of two choices in finding some way to prevent your modern self-consciousness from driving you mad: accept Faith or find your unique identity. This may account more than market strategizing for the seemingly frantic urge among artists to develop a unique vocabulary, IMO. Kuspit notes:
[S]ome theorists have argued that avant-gardism, which they understand as the artistic correlate of entrepreneurial capitalism, is simply a matter of change for the sake of change, difference for the sake of difference, novelty for the sake of novelty (novelty not being exactly purposeful innovation), as though that was what drove capitalist enterprise.But earlier in his piece, he counters that assertion with what I think brings us full circle here (or locks us like an ouroboros in an self-destructive circle with ourselves):
The subliminal point of avant-garde innovation -- and in the history of 20th-century art it is the avant-garde innovators who made the spiritual as well as artistic difference, that is, who showed that to take an artistic risk was also to take a spiritual risk, that one ventured into unknown artistic territory to make spiritual discoveries -- is to express dissatisfaction with both, finally dismissing them as beside the larger spiritual point. Avant-garde innovation sheds social and artistic identity, working through them in a struggle to become self-identical -- convey a sense of unique, hard won selfhood, fulfilling what Erik H. Erikson calls "the promise of an assured wholeness."(12) It is the intimation of wholeness in a psychosocial situation in which wholeness seems impossible -- in which the avant-garde work of art is itself a vulnerable fragment of an inconceivable whole, as Adorno suggests(13) -- that makes avant-garde art peculiarly tragic, that is, all too human and poignantly modern, however grand its spiritual and artistic aspiration.Some of my favorite pre-Modern artists were devout in their faith. So I like to believe it's possible to do both, have "faith" in the traditional sense AND become self-identical, but I'm not at all sure. None of my Modern heroes was clearly devout. The all pervasive "enlightened false consciousness" that defines the post-Modern era, this wink-wink-nudge-nudge cynicism that works so well in allowing us to go about our normal routine and earn a living, practically speaking, actually undermines our ability to do the same spiritually, it seems. It's one thing to go through the motions at one's job or socializing commitments, but to do the same in the context of religion defeats the purpose. If you have doubts but act as if you don't, you're bordering on blasphemy, no?
So, ironically, I find myself believeing, sincerely, that perhaps the only way to regain any meaningful spirituality is to reject the existence of God (or at least the working definitions of God currently available to me) and start with a clean slate. Which brings me back to looking for some avenue to explore to find what "higher purpose" may be out there that makes sense to me. Which brings me back to wondering why I'm not finding that in contemporary art. Which leaves me chomping at the bit for the next installment of Kuspit's book...
to be continued...
41 Comments:
Ed,
Great post. And in my little private world, very very timely. I know I've mentioned in responses past that I'm currently struggling with a unicorn-centric work. Through an act of auto-iconoclasm, this work explores the very line between faith, belief, and skepticism. I've been doing some of that myself these days.
As far as "accepting Faith" to prevent madness, might I offer one other option to your querry. What about art coupled with science? Every world view demands a cosmology. The cosmos, even according to the most geocentric (& young earth!) fundamentalists extends at least a few steps beyond the art world. The intricate cosmology described by contemporary science is robust, complex and beautiful. As an agnostic, I sometimes feel--for lack of a better term--that knowledge of the universe and its mechanisms is a means of "touching the mind of god." (Judaeo-Christian mythos asserts that we "are made in his image," but when I truly wrap my intuition around the universe, I can see that the relationship is one way at best.)
The canon of contemporary science (and mathematics) has grown too large to ever read it in one lifetime, much less internalize and master it. This very fact demands a significant degree of faith from those who study it most closely! So perhaps what you need is a little faith, rather than Faith?
Anyways, good post and happy new year.
Happy New Year to you too James.
Kuspit also touches on the the blend of art and science that arose in the 20th century. And I very much like your observation that science requires a degree of faith, but the difference there seems to be once someone comes along (oh, say Heisenberg) and shakes the foundations of that faith, you find a split among contemporaries (as in religion), but usually acceptance among the next generation, such that tradition doesn't have the same hold as it does in religion, it seems. That needn't argue against science as a foundation/fountain for faith, but it does suggest that science has inherent doubt in it, in as much as there's a team somewhere in some university feverishly working to disprove some pillar you're accepting on faith, no?
Ed, et al
Happy New Year.
gee, pick an easy topic to kick it off LOL
there's a team somewhere in some university feverishly working to disprove some pillar you're accepting on faith, no?
But science is as much a tapestry as it is an ascending architecture. For new material to get worked in, it requires an aweful lot of convincing cross weaving. You can't just wave a magic wand and insert your theoretical work ad-hoc. The more connections to existing knowledge, the more you must disprove and offer an alternative account for. This is one aspect of science that the ID crowd (Behe, et al.) just don't get.
If you keep your ear to the ground, you can see things coming generations before they are proven. The dinosaur/bird connection has been percolating for over a generation, but it is still not scientifically proven. Likewise, until the observed impact of Shoemaker-Levy, planetary impacts had not been entirely proven. It was still a scientifically debated event.
but it does suggest that science has inherent doubt in it
True that. At the same time, not all religions (or sects) require strict unquestioning adherence to tradition. The desert fathers, gnostics, St. John of the Cross, St. Francis, St. Thomas, the Shakers, and Jesuits all come ot mind as Christian exceptions.
Similarly, not all religions are founded on prosletizing. Buddhism and Rastafarianism immediately come to mind. It means that these religions don't spread like the wildfire of Christian fundamentalism. But that in no way invalidates their insights to "higher truths."
Sadly, I think the current wave of a very particular brand of Christian fundamentalism in the US is grossly skewing all our perceptions of religion. From what I understand, here in the US there is now a larger percentage of Christian fundamentalists in the general population that at any other point in history. That "meme strain" is still experiencing it's population bloom. Can't wait for the appropriate carnivore meme to evolve... >:) (but maybe it already has in the form of neoconservatism... yikes!)
I think about this stuff all the time, although I'm a hardened non-evangelical atheist, and I don't really feel a spiritual void and certainly don't yearn for religion. And even though discussions of this sort are highly theoretical, the questions involved (why do I do what I do) are very practical if you're thoughtful or introspective at all. So, I can say that art (really culture in general) does funciton like religion. It's the one indispensible thing for me. And I think it's connection to people, starting with family members and extending to culture (which is nothing more than the most direct way to deeply connect with a stranger), that gives life purpose. (Implicit for me is that life in generaly doesn't literally have a purpose, but individuals each need to feel a sense of purpose.) I feel like I'm being sort of simple-minded here.
I've seen some indications of what may be the burgeoning Fundamentalists' Achille's heel, though James. Too soon to share it in such a public forum, but it seems to me many of the faithful are waking up to what it took to secure their acendancy and realizing that it's not exactly "Christian" in nature.
no use in not hitting the ground running, George... ;-)
Jesus Christ!! (Oops, sorry) What a deeply personal post.
You beat me to the punch with the Kuspit post. I was planning one myself (and still may) but am not sure how I feel about it yet. He definitely provides a lot of philosophical fat to chew in an essay that's supposed to be an introduction to a book about 20th Century Art. I find that I usually don't agree with his conclusions, but I enjoy reading his dense critical undertakings. One frustration I found in the piece was that it was difficult (within certain passages) to identify if he was specifically talking about motivations of artists during early modern times or the more current philosphical dilemma that faces contemporary artists. I think in many cases he made no distinction between the two, which I found bizarre.
It's interesting that his article made you consider your Faith. I was raised with strict Christian beliefs through my high school years, but always had serious doubts and eventually discarded it altogether in my early 20's (I was at first agnostic, I think because I was still afraid of God, but am now firmly an atheist). At the time I made the smooth transition from believing in Faith to believing in Art (much like Kuspit suggests). This put a lot of pressure on Art (to which no artist's work, including my own, could measure up) and resulted in continual disappointment. I've since realized that Art is an inadequate substitute for a belief system and that I don't need one anyway.
I like JL's comment that "perhaps what you need is a little faith, rather than Faith." I simply refuse to believe that people need ancient texts or historical myths to tell them how to live their lives. I think there are moral similarities that exist in all major religions that demonstrate a shared sense of humanity that can be arrived at without organized belief systems. Maybe this makes me a humanist? I'm not sure. I really don't consider myself to have drastically different values than do Christians, Jews or Muslims -- except that I have the option to follow my own heart and mind rather than having to consult an ancient guidebook to make decisions for me.
Sorry, I could go on forever, I think you've tapped into a topic that could fill volumes (and has) and is a dilemma at the core of many an art-maker.
This resonated…
"They no longer seem an apt response to "the existential situations which confront all human beings, through all times. . . .:
how one meets death,
the nature of tragedy and the character of heroism,
the definition of loyalty and obligation,
the redemption of the soul,
the meaning of love and of sacrifice,
the understanding of compassion,
the tension between an animal and a human nature,
the claims of instinct and restraint."(34… Bell)
In their different ways, Barzun and Bell are saying the same thing: that avant-garde art -- art at its supposedly most "advanced" -- does not speak to the problem of being human." [Kuspit]
and from haunting the studio, on the soul.
From Robert Musil's novel "The Man Without Qualities" "How to describe it, then? Whether one is at rest or in motion, what matters is not what lies ahead, what one sees, hears, wants, takes, masters. It forms a horizon, a semicircle before one, but the ends of this semicircle are joined by a string, and the plane of this string goes right through the middle of the world. In front, the face and hands look out of it; sensations and strivings run ahead of it, and no one doubts that whatever one does is always reasonable, or at least passionate. In other words, outer circumstances call for us to act in a way everyone can understand; and if, in the toils of passion, we do something incomprehensible, that too is, in its own way, understandable. Yet however understandable and self-contained everything seems, this is accomplished by an obscure feeling that it is only half the story. Something is not quite in balance, and a person presses forward, like a tightrope walker, in order to not sway and fall. And as he presses on through life and leaves lived life behind, the life ahead and the life already lived form a wall, and his path in the end resembles the path of a woodworm: no matter how it corkscrews it leaves an empty space behind it. And this horrible feeling of a blind, cutoff space behind the fullness of everything, this half that is always missing even when everything is a whole, this is what eventually makes one perceive what one calls the soul."
Sorry to be so off-topic, but Edward, is the opening reception at your new space sometime this week? I haven't seen the opening listing in any of the usual places.
thanks,
O
looking for the spiritual in contemporary art is often like looking for a trenchcoat you like in your size at Century 21
Totally thought you meant Century 21 the real estate people... Although I'd guess the two may be interchangeable in this post ;) HNY!
I couldn't agree with Kuspit's previous [and also lengthy] essay on artnet.com, so I skipped reading this one. I think it's futile to worry about "higher meaning." We don't know, we can't know, and I don't think we should worry about it.
God and religion are human inventions, and appeal to human needs. Art is also a human invention, and appeals to human needs. Our imperfect bodies determine the way we interact with the universe. Art and religion work because they excite our human fiber in certain ways.
There's a great passage in Susskind's novella "Perfume," describing the religious ecstasy of a church leader after he catches a whiff of the perfume the story's protagonist invented. We're also all familiar with Bernini's famous statue of the Ecstasy of St Teresa.
Sadly, I think the current wave of a very particular brand of Christian fundamentalism in the US is grossly skewing all our perceptions of religion. [James Leonard, above]
I'm not a believer, but I can't support this sentiment. The Christian Science Monitor just ran a story with the headline "Why European women are turning to Islam." Europeans have looked down upon America's form of Christianity with disdain for a few decades, but Europe's purported secularism seems to be leaving a vacuum into which other forms of faith are rushing now to fill, the more demanding [dominating] they are, the more successful they'll be (because they'll be in oppposition to the status quo). Zadie Smith's White Teeth touches slightly on this phenomenon too.
I believe America's Christianity and its immense success as a county are related. I don't know how or why (Calvin, Luther and the "Protestant Work Ethic"? a common mindset? strong morality? respect for individuality? the demand for individual responsibility?), but as a scientist, I don't want to break the link before I understand it. Call me an American Exceptionalist, I don't mind.
BTW, no discussion of science and religion would be complete without mentioning falsifiability, of course the quality that ultimately distinguishes one from the other.
crionna....LOL!!!! My apartment aspires to be trench-coat sized.
Sorry about the NY-centric analogy. It's a discount store for designer clothing opposite the site of the World Trade Center...one of NY's best kept secrets.
Underlying all this seems to be a need for a sense of order and purpose in the universe. We all want what we can't have. Science is as close as it gets, in providing order without purpose.
Looking to art for order and purpose is as mistaken as looking to religion for it IMO. The closest art comes is to grant an inside vision of people striving for this through the vehicle of their own esthetic choices and material experimentation. In this vision we see reflections of our own faltering struggles, rare glimpses of light, successes, failures and self-doubts. It resonates.
What is spirituality? Faith? Faith in what? Faith in continuity, one moment connected to another, tribal memories of family? Or, maybe locality does, in fact, not exist and spirituality is nothing more than an awareness of simultaneity.
Kuspits introduction is late twentieth century thought ,and to my mind, not of particular use going forward. What I mean by this is, if you take a time slice at almost any point in the twentieth century, you could find an equivalent position analysis,which leads me to view his observations as less than universal.
I've been pondering the twentieth century for awhile as I suppose have many others. The social, technological, scientific, and economic changes happened at a rate unmatched at any time in recent history (since the Renaissance?). Modern life is extraordinarily different from what it was a mere century ago. The notion of the 'avant guard' in the arts, is reflecting these social changes in the cultural sphere, its emotional tenor, optimistic or nihilistic, in harmonic relationship to our sense of the future or confusion with the present.
For what it's worth, I seriously doubt the next fifty years will see a straight line continuation of the same rapid social changes seen in the last 100 years. The twentieth century possessed an unique mixture of social and technological changes coupled with devastating wars, a schizophrenic mixture of optimism and pessimism which progressed at an unabated pace for the entire century. If as I suspect, the rate of change moderates the issue will be to reconnect 'modern life' with it's historical roots, a regeneration of continuity with the past. Bell's grand themes do not cease to exist or lose relevance because we invented an airplane or computer, to the contrary they become more relevant as we seek to clarify our relationship with a more complex world.
Not sure if this will be helpful or not.
What many people fail to grasp, is that however you come down on these sorts of questions, any determination is a leap of faith. It's only a matter of what you decide to put your faith in.
Some atheists are certain that they've reached their conclusions through logic and intellect so they're often insulted or annoyed at the suggestion of faith in their determination. However, they've decided to put their faith in their own abilities and perceptions. As the agnostic puts faith in their own uncertainty and the ambiguity of human existence. Theirs is no smaller leap than the religious.
For me it was a fundamental step in grabbling this. I was an atheist and took comfort in its certainty, yet that certainty is illusory. Eventually, I just wasn't comfortable, in effect, worshiping my own intellect and insight, but I also didn't want to deal with the fact that you can't *know* the answer. I wanted to know, dang it!
You're only faced with two real options: either avoid the questions altogether or decide what you want to have faith in.
Underlying all this seems to be a need for a sense of order and purpose in the universe.
That's part of it, but part of it is also a desire for grace, sublimity, and inner peace. Art can provide some of that sometimes, but...
What many people fail to grasp, is that however you come down on these sorts of questions, any determination is a leap of faith.
I understand the importance of the leap. Without it, the rest of what I seek is not as fulfilling, which actually comes back to Bill's point that it's about finding a sense of purpose. But, having lept, and then still not found what I was looking for, I don't want to just leap again (at what? it's like blind dates with a diety).
I think James is right in that my own personal sense of religion is very strongly overshadowed by the rise of Christian fundamentalism. It's so freakin' absolute in its demands to be taken literally, it ironically equally demands to be rejected. It's a fake leap...a dumb leap...a check-your-brain-at-the-door-and-just-trust-the-overweight-minister-in-the-expesive-silk-suit-with-the-heavily-bejeweled-and-over-made-up-wife leap...
So I pass on that one. I'm left looking around. Do I consider Judaism or Islam (not sure they're any better and besides, I love pork).
Some folks are as comfortable with their religion as they are their favorite sweatshirt. They simply ignore the parts they want to and take comfort in the rest.
You're only faced with two real options: either avoid the questions altogether or decide what you want to have faith in.
Can't avoid it...it haunts me. Think for the time being, the only thing to have faith in is myself, but keeping an eye open for more...don't like the self-worshipping implications there.
I think James is right in that my own personal sense of religion is very strongly overshadowed by the rise of Christian fundamentalism. It's so freakin' absolute in its demands to be taken literally, it ironically equally demands to be rejected. It's a fake leap...a dumb leap...a check-your-brain-at-the-door-and-just-trust-the-overweight-minister-in-the-expesive-silk-suit-with-the-heavily-bejeweled-and-over-made-up-wife leap...
That isn't unique to Christian fundamentalism. There are atheists who are just as doctrinaire and absolute. Any idea will get screwed by human nature. However the idea is truly separate from the people who claim to own it. Just as Islam must endure the OBL types who lay claim, it doesn't mean Islam isn't worthy of people's faith. Churches are chock full of hypocrites. And so is everywhere else in the world.
That people suck isn't much of newsflash…
I know you're right Mac. Even as I was typing that I knew there are plenty of sincere Christian Fundamentalists who walk the walk...why they're not more effective in curbing the abusers remains a mystery, but....
why they're not more effective in curbing the abusers remains a mystery, but....
Simple. Too many fools, too little time. Not to mention that a sincere Christian would tend to hold to the 'judge not, lest ye be judged' line of thinking which tends to put a damper on the smack down of fellow believers -- no matter how lame.
"Too many" is what scares me most about them though...if I thought they were more benevolent, I wouldn't be worried, but I see them, as a whole, as rather oppressive and threatening.
Having said that, though, as I noted above, I see signs, now that they're powerful, that they want to be truly loved as such as well. It's probably gonna get even messier before it works itself out in this country.
Wow, just checking in and I don't know which idea to follow. I grew up in a strongly religious (evangelical, fundamentalist) home: Literal interpretation of the Bible, ours is the only true religion, the last days are upon us and you will be left behind, etc. That kind of upbringing leaves its scars.
I spent a lot of time studying other religions and belief systems. At some point I realized that "religion," for the most part, was very inflexible and limited. Atheism is certainly something I've gone back and forth on, but I think I'm genetically pre-disposed to believe in something. Maybe we all are.
I think that there are a lot of ways to feel connected with something bigger and more meaningful. Connecting with other people in meaningful ways can be a spiritual experience. Making or resonding to art can be. Fighting for something you believe in can be.
The hardest thing is what MacCallan referred to when he said, "...but I also didn't want to deal with the fact that you can't *know* the answer." We want answers to everything. We want things to be right or wrong, up or down. That's why fundamentalism is so popular--it tells people what to think. The much harder path (but the more spiritual one) is to go through life not knowing, and living with that discomfort. If you manage to be a good person and give this life the best you've got, then you're really on to something.
Art is like the Tao. You can find everything in it. When I am lucky enough to dip into it and retrieve an image I can then try to create a representation of what I found. That representation or manifestation is the artwork itself. Art is the void I reach into. I cannot see art as religion. Religion has rules and is exclusive. Art has no rules and includes everything.
Great thread.
...the only way to regain any meaningful spirituality is to reject the existence of God (or at least the working definitions of God currently available to me)...
That's the spot where I jump - but a leap of logic rather than a leap of faith. To wit: what if I redefine 'God' to mean this. This everything, this nothing, this whatever. This thing that is unfolding that everything is part of ... is God.
If this exists, then God exists. Cogito ergo etc. Simple, right?
And then the puzzle fits together, at least for me. All the scriptures of all of the world's cultures suddenly make a different kind of sense - they propose a path, or a protocol, to look at this and actually see it for what it is - to really see this ... is to see God. And then Art is simply the view from that path, at whatever station along the path the artist is.
Oh, go ahead, tell me I'm silly - it's too simple - it can't actually mean that - it's gotta be spookier and more mysterious than that.
You mean it's not spooky and mysterious enough for you already?
Do poetry and painting replace the sense of comfort faith in a higher purpose/being provided pre-Modern man?
If comfort is all you want from your religion, then the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as any other. For these people, there are arts organizations (I work for one) that attempt to create a sense of community, to create an audience that trusts us for a good show even when they don't know the artist. They come to us like many people go to church -- to be with their friends and have a fulfilling experience. And that's a good thing, as far as it goes.
But if you are truly on a spiritual quest, then all religions begin to look like crystallizations of others' paths, when what you really want is your own path.
Hmmm. Your own path, your own identity, your own vocabulary, your own voice. These all sound like different aspects of the same thing.
But the emphasis on self seems contrary to the idea of spirituality to me. Jesus was a self-effacing guy on his own account, and spent his life in service to others. Nirvana is not about finding your identity. A spiritual quest is not about finding yourself, but about finding the Spirit, and losing yourself. "Your own path" is a metaphor, to be used while it is useful, and then thrown away.
Oh, go ahead, tell me I'm silly - it's too simple
Actually, I'm quite on board with you on this one. It's a strange sort of agnostic gnosticism, a rabbit hole I've enjoyed diving down before.
And yes, as an equation it is simple. To know what you are talking about, not just with your mind but with your body and being--the same way that you know your emotions--is quite profound... ...and doubly mysterious.
And this somehow cycles back (at least momentarily) to why this is a fitting topic for a contemporary art blog. There is a sensual aspect to all spiritual practices. Successful works of art often tap into a similar sensuality. For the past year, with this blog, Ed has displayed a keen ability to evoke insight on what is lacking in most contemporary art.
So Ed, connect the dots for me, where does this all lead? What's missing in today's art (/art world) for you? Gospel? Church? Soul? Something else?
So Ed, connect the dots for me, where does this all lead? What's missing in today's art (/art world) for you? Gospel? Church? Soul? Something else?
Not all art, I have to be careful to note, but so much art seems geared toward critiquing (destroying) to the exemption of building anything....and even that's not the best way to phrase it...let me think on this overnight...
but in the meanwhile I'll turn the question around, what's the last work of art (by someone else) you saw that seemed spiritual (in the sense that term is significant to you)
the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as any other.
I don't know, the Sacrificial Virginia Ham thing really leaves something to be desired. Don't even get me started on the Little Stevie Wonder Bread and Gilbert Grape Juice eucharist...
but in the meanwhile I'll turn the question around, what's the last work of art (by someone else) you saw that seemed spiritual (in the sense that term is significant to you)
Hmmm... I'm going to need 24 for this as well.
But as I've been "unicorning" the whole damned day away, I've been listening to The Jimi Hendrix Experience as well as Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to put me "in the mood." Both make my spiritual geiger counter click.
How bout Olafur Eliasson's 'Sun' at the Tate Modern?
For an easy one.
on board with you on this one ... a rabbit hole I've enjoyed diving down before.
James, glad we're on the same page here - though for me it works as coming up from the rabbit hole ...
My grandfather visited me after he died. I didn't know he was dead but at the moment of his death I was asleep in a bed in Germany. I woke up to see him standing at the foot of my bed. He told me everything was going to be okay. Anyway, I don't claim to have any answers as to what's going on. Oddly, I think atheists and fundamentalists tend to have one regrettable thing in common- they're both filled with certainty that their beliefs are true. The only things that I'm pretty sure are true are that the world would be a better place if more humans had a bit more empathy and compassion. Other than that I'm not sure of much.....except I'm rambling. Night.
How bout Olafur Eliasson's 'Sun' at the Tate Modern
Didn't see it in person, but have seen plenty other Eliasson pieces, so have to conclude, from what I read and saw in images that this is a very good choice here. O.E. is as close to an artist making spiritual work as I can think of...thanks.
The work and approach of Wolfgang Laib is very spritual. Saw him at the Hirshorn a few years back.
First off, another tip of the hat to Edward. This is great. Unfortunately, below I'm just reacting...got on board this soul train a little late.
Macallan writes:
What many people fail to grasp, is that however you come down on these sorts of questions, any determination is a leap of faith. It's only a matter of what you decide to put your faith in.
Very true. As an aetheist, I view my perspective as one side of a coin; the opposite face is that of the religious fundamentalist. I also like the distinction James made between "faith" and "Faith." I've made a mental note to gank it. ;)
George writes:
If as I suspect, the rate of change moderates, the issue will be to reconnect 'modern life' with it's historical roots, a regeneration of continuity with the past. Bell's grand themes do not cease to exist or lose relevance because we invented an airplane or computer, to the contrary they become more relevant as we seek to clarify our relationship with a more complex world.
Well, yes and no. I mean, I agree, but I worry that if we miss the boat in the next fifty years, we may have to wait quite some time. We all recognize that the Art World, along with literature, science and the academy, is increasingly withdrawn from society at large. Likewise, many of those within these fields act increasingly monkish, equally coveting and bemoaning their very marginality. We seem to be headed for another Dark Age - though I very much hope I'm wrong in this assessment. We may further lose the "continuity" you describe before we eventually regain it, the monks, centuries on, emerging from Ray Bradbury's forest ("Fahrenheit 451") to remarry society and culture.
JC writes:
That's why fundamentalism is so popular--it tells people what to think. The much harder path (but the more spiritual one) is to go through life not knowing, and living with that discomfort. If you manage to be a good person and give this life the best you've got, then you're really on to something.
Exactly.
Amos writes:
Nirvana is not about finding your identity.
Yeah, but Cobain was a fu*king genius, bro.
Edward writes:
Not all art, I have to be careful to note, but so much art seems geared toward critiquing (destroying) to the exemption of building anything....and even that's not the best way to phrase it...let me think on this overnight...
Rock on with your bad self! I couldn't agree more, and I think James, Art Soldier, George and others have suggested as much, between the lines, in their comments of the past months.
It's an interesting situation we find ourselves in. A once secular culture is now divided between "progressive," secular currents and fundamentalist reaction. Where does the individual fit into this puzzle? What about individual spirtituality (or just spirit, if you prefer)? Given the choice between iCulture and herd zeal, most of us choose (and the corporate ad execs help us with this) to play Dr. Frankenstein, building some stumbling, bumbling monstrosity that we desperately call our own. Naturally, a crisis of faith/Faith follows, one not disimilar to the much hyped "mid-life crisis." Both are rooted in an absence of purpose or clear sense of self, after all. It seems high time more artists attempt to marry magic to science, myth to politics, and the like. It's no mean task, but it sure beats plunging the west into another four hundred years of intellectual darkness.
For my part, I find solace in the marshes, on mountain trails, or in the woods. It may be a Romantic tendency, flawed and no less wretched than anyone else's construction, but for me the marriage of science - though it sometimes does seem nihilistic to take the geologic view of our young species - to a tweaked animism provides all the spirit I need...at least for now.
Thanks for yet another excellent conversation!
HH writes:
...but I worry that if we miss the boat in the next fifty years, we may have to wait quite some time. We all recognize that the Art World, along with literature, science and the academy, is increasingly withdrawn from society at large. Likewise, many of those within these fields act increasingly monkish, equally coveting and bemoaning their very marginality. We seem to be headed for another Dark Age - though I very much hope I'm wrong in this assessment. We may further lose the "continuity" you describe before we eventually regain it, the monks, centuries on, emerging from Ray Bradbury's forest ("Fahrenheit 451") to remarry society and culture.
This is a more pessimistic than I think might be the case. Because of increasing complexity, it's becoming an age of specialists practitioners working with globalist managers, a wiki model. I don't see this as a particular problem for the future, just different.
As for reconnecting past history with the present, in particular in the Arts, this just seems like a natural expectation after a growth spurt. The various 'new media' will develop their own historic lines and all genres will eventually be seen in a historic context. I don't think it's possible to lose the continuity, one might ignore it momentarily.
Okay, finally checking back in after about 20 hours with a response to Ed's question:
I'll turn the question around, what's the last work of art (by someone else) you saw that seemed spiritual (in the sense that term is significant to you)
But first, in response to Ed's first go at articulating what's missing, I'll give an answer to my own question I put to Ed:
What's missing in today's art (/art world) for you? Gospel? Church? Soul? Something else?
For me, there is plenty of Gospel (in those intellectual works that, as Ed described it, deconstruct) and more than enough Church. In fact there is too much Church. And what I mean by this is following. Fashion is rampant in the youthful contemporary artworld. So many nuances that go on are based on what's hip, what's not, and if you got last weeks memo or not.
Not to be crass, but f*** that. I don't want some snotty nosed 22 y.o. deciding what I should and shouldn't move me because of their own rampant desires for acceptance coupled with a insatiable need for novelty.
Now, the last work of art I saw that was spiritual, or seemed spiritual? I thought about this last night, a lot.
The Bill Viola(/Kira Perov) show at James Cohan had a couple that did it for me. The large projection, The Darker Side of Dawn, and a dyptich showing both a male and female side by side, face down in water are the two that stand out most. About a third of Viola's work really sings for me in this way. Much of it as of late though has gotten too repetitive for me, similar to someone reciting their way through church while their mind is really on tonight's football game.
But his work always "seems" spiritual. And to drive a point home, I'm going to list a few others here:
Rinko Kawauchi's photographs at Cohan and Leslie last year had a profound animism to them. (Hear that HH, might be your sort of stuff!) I found myself extending empathy to almost every object and substance in each photograph. The one with a circular blade cutting stone was so strangely sorrowful. I wanted to cry. (really!)
In a Pythagorean way, some of Sol Lewitt's large wall drawings bring me close to the "truth of numbers." I have a bit of a mystic's thing for mathematics. (The experience of finally understanding and watching the period of a limit cycle double at increasingly shorter intervals until it finally crosses that threshold and erupts into the infinite line of a strange attractor is TRULY magical to me!)
Suprisingly, the painters Fiona Ray and Peter Doig often make me feel very connected to the substance and practice of the paint that is both corporal and transcendent.
Roni Horn's gold field is truly sublime for me.
And (though not a recent experience) Wim DelVoye's cloaca shamed me into a deep reverence for the human body. ("You mean all this--all this stinkiness--goes on inside me every minute of every day?") I know he often pushes the "taking the piss out of the art world" angle of that piece, but the over the top demonstration of what digestion really entails is profound.
My point overall point is this: good work does often tap what I consider spiritual... and that ultimately is a deeper connection to the world larger than myself. It doesn't require transcendent vistas (though they are nice!), sublime sense of awe, or even endless wells of empathy and sympathy for my fellow humans. But if the work inspires me to connect in some way or another, I can't help but react. And when appropriate, I will feel some of the aforementioned.
For me, much of the work I see being churned out by my cohorts and those a decade younger often lacks in the department of connection and self awareness. In short, I think much of today's art lacks soul, spirit, and heart.
what's the last work of art (by someone else) you saw that seemed spiritual
I'm guessing, 'Pamela Anderson's second boob job' is a really bad answer...
Second boob job? You can keep track? Isn't she like on number 6 or something?
Spiritual work. I have to vote for Emily Jacir's last exhibition at Debs and Co. I walked out of there so profoundly moved it stayed with me for months.
Spiritual work. I have to vote for Emily Jacir's last exhibition at Debs and Co. I walked out of there so profoundly moved it stayed with me for months.
I missed that one. The web page seems like it doesn't do justice to direct, prolonged experience with the full work. But I think my imagination can clue me in as to how it might be so profoundly moving.
(And isn't it this way with so many good works? On paper, they look as though they could go either way--absolutely amazing or a completely hokey flop? And by the way, did Cornelia Parker ever get to return that meteorite to space?)
George writes:
Because of increasing complexity, it's becoming an age of specialists practitioners working with globalist managers, a wiki model. I don't see this as a particular problem for the future, just different.
I hope your crystal ball trumps my more bleak visions. I feel specialization eventually leads to cultural ignorance, even if the specialists themselves may know one thing very well. I always return to Archilochus and his hedgehog/fox dichotomy. Different people interpret the divide in different ways. Let us hope all the hedgehogs can put their "one thing" together and stir up some fine tasting soup!
The various 'new media' will develop their own historic lines and all genres will eventually be seen in a historic context. I don't think it's possible to lose the continuity, one might ignore it momentarily.
Agreed, but I feel the "moment" of ignorance can last centuries, as it did during the most recent Dark Age. I subscribe to Pitirim Sorokin's notion of the pendulum that swings from ideational culture/society - a fundamentalist, usually religious period - to sensate culture/society - one marked by a faith in science and progress. Both inevitably fold because they become too confident in themselves, too based in, as Sorokin puts it, "untruths." There is a period of Renaissance, however, when we transition from an ideational to sensate mode; Sorokin calls this the idealistic culture, one in which thinkers are able to marry faith and Faith in such a way that creativity in the Arts & Sciences explodes. (Unfortunately, we miss this period when moving from sensate to ideational, as we are now.)
Of course, this is reductionist and without scientific rigor; Sorokin has based his pendulum hypothesis on a short historical record, dating back only to around 500 B.C. If we have yet to reach a concensus on "natural" climatic cycles, using data dating back millions of years, a couple of centuries of sociological "data" does not a convincing case make. It's all our gut, I guess...
Anyway, I'm enjoying this dialogue very much!
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